Karting

[AL-]

I shall be karting for the first time next week on a corporate night event at Buckmore Park - https://www.buckmore.co.uk/

We will be using their new Honda 4 stroke, 390cc karts!

Any tips or advice

[mjn51]

don't brake, just throw the kart into the bends. !

[mjn51]

. duplicate

[Tappage]

brilliant track to drive around, just hope it stays dry for you as its an absolute B1tch in the wet

[angryjonny]

don't brake, just throw the kart into the bends. !

[yuri2085]

Lol, do brake. try and brake in a straight line and ease off the braking in the corner (for now just have all your breaking done by the time you are turning).
Smooth steering and get a good line. Go fast

[DrDonnyBrago]

Lol don't brake!


Most overtaking in nooby corporate day sessions seems to be by braking later and getting inside of those going too wide. Try and stick to your line too. I found that playing racing games made me better at finding a good line than I thought I would be so get gran turismo/forza on the go .


Just enjoy it and don't let your boss beat you .

[MinhDinh]

I hate Karting.

I came 12th out of 14, and got beat by 2 girls, and beat 2 girls. All the guys kicked my ass, but I am about 90KG while a typical Vietnamese guy is 60-70 KG.

Still, I hated it because you can't go crazy or you get kicked off. At Lakeside karting, they gave me many warnings and made me do a pitstop aswell for dangerous driving. Their bloody warnings and threat of kicking me off made me drive slower too!

Mofo's.
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[cloric_tzr]

^^^ cuz ya shit!!! ive got a trophy for karting
do brake!!! its a myth that you can do without them if your racing yh maby at skeggy or butlins but not in those machines,
ive karting at i think wilton locks in daventry that was a great day, and quite a few indoor karting setions

which actually would make a great bcf day out, ride out to the karting place and all intrested participate in a endurance style race (makes for a longer day) and gives others who are less daring a chance.
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[Kris]

Buckmore is a wicked track. A lot of time is lost on the last few corners at the bottom of the hill if you get it wrong; as the uphill main straight follows them.

I wore my own bash hat but got told to remove my buff neckwarmer thing underneath.
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[yuri2085]

Cloric there is an annual BCF minimotos and karting that happens every november or so.

Its organised by G and is hard to miss.

[cloric_tzr]

i went 3-4 months around that time without coming on here which would explain why i missed it
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[bEN_]

Be as smooth as possible, those gutless engines bog down so easily, i don't know why people actually race them, they should only be used for 'arrive and drive' days like what your on about doing
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[Paulington]

I started racing 4 stroke karts when I was around 15, from then I have raced all over Europe in karts ranging from 28bhp Rotax FR125 engines to 85+ bhp 250cc Division 1 Superkarts including placing at the European Kartmasters.

The trick with karting is to be SMOOTH. Any sliding at all will scrub speed from you which, especially on a 4 stroke, will absolutely ruin your lap times.

To begin, a quick explanation of how karts work:

Karts (mostly) are direct drive, they have no gears so to be fast you have to stay in the power band (higher revs) as MUCH as possible. This means being VERY smooth with all your inputs (throttle, braking and steering) whilst trying to scrub as little speed (lose speed) as possible, meaning you must turn the steering wheel as LITTLE as possible to navigate the track. DO NOT DRIFT. This is because for a kart to turn, as you can see by looking at a kart it has no differential so the rear wheels turn at the same speed during cornering, that's a problem as one needs to turn slower/faster.

Karts get around this by the chassis flexing so much the inside wheel (closest to the apex) actually lifts off the ground completely so it's not in contact with the ground. If you are not smooth with trail braking and pushing on the wheel whilst turning to add stiffness you will get a sensation of juddering as you turn which is the rubber on the rims fighting against the turning motion as karts are built they only want to go straight, they don't like turning. I'll put a picture at the end of me showing this.

When you turn, you PUSH on the steering wheel with the hand opposite the direction you are turning. This is vital as it adds stability to the chassis during cornering by actually making your arm act as a stressed member of the chassis, making it stiffer and easier to turn.

As you approach a corner, brake hard as late as possible (and still be able to make the corner!) in a STRAIGHT line, braking is most effective in a straight line. As you turn in, you should be lifting off the brakes slightly and braking so that as you hit the apex you are totally off the brakes. This is called trail braking and involves you slowly bleeding off the brakes to maintain chassis stability by keeping the rear wheel in the air and improve turning drastically.

Also, it helps when you are turning to lean AWAY from the corner whilst pushing on the steering wheel to turn. This has the effect of unloading the inside wheel which makes it easier for the rear inside wheel to lift and allow you to turn smoothly.

When you reach the apex, the key is that as you come off the brakes (trail braking), you literally go to the throttle instantly, it's a swap. You need to progressively (but quite quickly) bring the throttle to full throttle and push on the steering wheel in the opposite direction so as to bring it to the required steering angle to continue on.

Remember, the key to karting is total smoothness, everything has to be little inputs and be in total control, you control the kart, it doesn't control you. To be fast, you need to turn the kart as little as possible to navigate the track and that will make you fast.

So, to summarise:

1) Be VERY smooth with all your inputs.
2) ONLY brake in a straight line before a corner and slowly bleed the brakes off as you get to the apex.
3) Turn the steering wheel as little as possible to navigate the track, karts like going straight!
4) Push on the steering wheel to turn, do NOT pull on it, and whilst turning lean away from the corner as you turn.
5) There should be no gap of time during change between brake and throttle, it should be instant.
6) Be relaxed in your driving, do not tense up at all, just be relaxed and smooth.
7) DO NOT DRIFT. !

If you want to know anything else, including wet driving etc then just PM me!

Hope that helps! !

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[bEN_]

I bet we've crossed paths at some point, you raced at darley moor or cadwell before?
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[WildGoose]

Great info there

Went karting recently, and was told that thing about leaning out of the corner by the bloke running it.

Was slightly embarressing as had spent the entire session fiercely leaning into the corners in an attempt to maximise grip, or something. Didn't think about the lack of diff at the time.
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[trevoriv]

In the indoor Kart sessions that i've done the fastest drivers are always the ones that dont brake.

Might be different outdoor and I imagine you do need to brake on anything with more power than 4hp!
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[WildGoose]

I've had lots of random advice from people - generally not pro drivers, just wannabe experts - that its best to use the gas and brake at the same time.

Which is precisely what the people who own the kart usually tell you is the cardinal sin, but presumably because it wears something out that they will have to pay to fix.

Anyone know the thinking behind said advice?
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[Paulington]

Using the throttle and brake at the same time wears out the centrifugal clutches in the kart as they are being subjected to excess load which knackers 'em either by wearing out the friction material, snapping a forged metal piece or busting a spring. Double-footing is a total NO in karting and pretty much all time-based circuit racing, it's one or the other.

As for not braking, it varies on the circuit, outdoor you must always brake properly, ALWAYS.

However, an indoor circuit near me where I hold the lap record, it's much faster to slam the brakes, chirp the back wheels and drift the kart around. That's because the tyres are solid and the floor is zero-grip shiny concrete.

However, the OP wanted information about Buckmore, which is an outdoor circuit. Braking is a must.
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[Paulington]

[weasley]

I quickly learnt that on arrive-and-drive karts you have to get on the gas before you get off the brake because the engine(s) tend to take a moment to get going again after being on a trailing throttle, so I always overlap my brake and gas pedal a little. Also, I have made up no end of places off of the starting grid by holding the engine a little above idle as the 5 second board comes out - again, to get the engine on song (I learnt that one the hard way - after qualifying on the front row for the semi-final I sat, at idle, awaiting the go - when it came I gassed it and the engine went "phut" before it picked up and went. By this time I was mid-pack.)

I've only ever done semi-serious, arrive/drive stuff (mostly team endurance) but have a box full of trophies somewhere and was disappointed if I never came home with something plastic and tacky. I fear I am carrying too much "success ballast" these days to be a contender.
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[st3v3]

Karting advice always amuses me, people take it in their own way which isnt as it was intended(given), i use 'em same principles as the bike but with more leway.

I also find doing it in the wet fun, as long as i feather it round corners and dont slam on at last minute before a hairpin its all good
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[adamgreeny]

i have a pro kart for sale
i am selling for 400 quid if anyone is interested contact me on 07737285447
only people from the uk

regards
david