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jam125
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: day light mot Reply with quote
hi my lights have packed up iv got mot tomorow and need to use the bike saturday if i tape over the lights can i get a day light mot
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well if lights are there and the switch to operate they do test them.

Cover the light, and all the relevant switches Laughing you may be ok.

Or, fix the problem?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
If your bike has lights, indicators, mirrors etc fitted then they must be operational. Masking over them is not an option.
BTW there is no such thing as a daylight MOT.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
If your bike has lights, indicators, mirrors etc fitted then they must be operational. Masking over them is not an option.
BTW there is no such thing as a daylight MOT.


If you have indicators I believe if you remove the switch, they cannot test, same with the headlight.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
In order to be ignored in the MoT, any lights have to be removed or permanently disabled.

And there's no such thing as a day-anything MoT. All that happens is you get a normal MoT with an advisory that lights were not fitted at the time of the test. Nothing about not using it at night or any other internet myths.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
weasley wrote:
In order to be ignored in the MoT, any lights have to be removed or permanently disabled.

And there's no such thing as a day-anything MoT. All that happens is you get a normal MoT with an advisory that lights were not fitted at the time of the test. Nothing about not using it at night or any other internet myths.


As my understanding too... but what's the situation if you pass MOT lightless, then fit them after test?

Hang on.... brake light & horn?

Whats low down on these?

I'm pondering Getting the DT tested devoid of all electrics (needs a complete new harness!)... 1976 registration.....

As I understand it, should be able to get it tested with no lights what so ever, that age, but has to have a speedo and horn? Right/Wrong?
Does horn HAVE to be electric?
Tried to get my Cota tested about twenty years ago, and it had clowns tooty horn, as OE fit! But was told had to have electric horn, at the time. Creating wiring for one was too much hasle, so didn't bother in the end, but..... what's the score these days?
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
weasley wrote:
Nothing about not using it at night or any other internet myths.

So is the V32 an internet myth?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:
weasley wrote:
In order to be ignored in the MoT, any lights have to be removed or permanently disabled.

And there's no such thing as a day-anything MoT. All that happens is you get a normal MoT with an advisory that lights were not fitted at the time of the test. Nothing about not using it at night or any other internet myths.


As my understanding too... but what's the situation if you pass MOT lightless, then fit them after test?

Hang on.... brake light & horn?

Whats low down on these?

I'm pondering Getting the DT tested devoid of all electrics (needs a complete new harness!)... 1976 registration.....

As I understand it, should be able to get it tested with no lights what so ever, that age, but has to have a speedo and horn? Right/Wrong?
Does horn HAVE to be electric?
Tried to get my Cota tested about twenty years ago, and it had clowns tooty horn, as OE fit! But was told had to have electric horn, at the time. Creating wiring for one was too much hasle, so didn't bother in the end, but..... what's the score these days?


We MOT'd a mates CG without any lights and with only a squeaker horn from a bicycle and it passed. Just had a note on the form to say that it couldnt be used at night due to the lack of lights.

I think it depends what kind of tester you get and how anal they are.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
You would need to mask off both the headlight and the tail light. Gaffa tape will do. If everything else is ok, they will issue a VT32 advisory notice with the pass certificate.

Your flashers would have to work. As would the horn.

@Mike.
Post 1973 you have to have a horn that emits a "constant tone" that is not "harsh or grating" (that's what it says). Prior to that you can have a bulb horn. You are correct in that you do not require lights of any sort.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
@Mike.
Post 1973 you have to have a horn that emits a "constant tone" that is not "harsh or grating" (that's what it says). Prior to that you can have a bulb horn. You are correct in that you do not require lights of any sort.

'73 or '83, Stink? (DT's 76, Cota's 81)
And what's the story on the VR32 endorsement?
If Its MOT'd without lights, states so on the cert.
BUT, if after test, I untangled the remnants of wiring I have and got some lights working, and took it out to test them in the dark, and got stopped, could I be done for not having valid MOT?
I know when the cert actually said 'Daylight Hours Use Only' (as the only one I have ever seen, that came with my Cota!) If I'd fitted the lighting kit, and ridden at night, I technically had no MOT....
Does that still apply?

(My foots sore, from kicking the damn thing over, today, but I'm still too jubilant at having got the thing running, having swapped the exhausts to care! Having wheelied up the garden! I am pondering whether to shelve the idea of tearing it down, and prettying it all up properly, and simply sorting some brakes, and a clutch cable, and bunging it in for a test, and doing a rolling renovation..... Wheel spokes are rusty.... and it needs DESPERATELY a rubber on teh kickstart lever!)
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
No speedo needed for MoT.
My KDX was tested last year without lights and all I have is the advisory form stating "lights not fitted at time of testing". I subsequently fitted lights and used it with them until the next MoT, where it passed with the lights fitted (but no indicators).

I had to inform the tester (who had been doing it for 20 years and had never heard of it) that a bike designed for offroad use does not require indicators, regardless of the year it was made. He reluctantly agreed to check the MoT manual and discovered I was right, and issued the MoT.

My KDX is something of a hybrid, and a bit of a state, so I spent a long time studying the MoT manual to make sure firstly I knew what to fix on the bike and secondly that I could have an informed discussion with the tester.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:

'73 or '83, Stink? (DT's 76, Cota's 81)
And what's the story on the VR32 endorsement?
If Its MOT'd without lights, states so on the cert.
BUT, if after test, I untangled the remnants of wiring I have and got some lights working, and took it out to test them in the dark, and got stopped, could I be done for not having valid MOT?
I know when the cert actually said 'Daylight Hours Use Only' (as the only one I have ever seen, that came with my Cota!) If I'd fitted the lighting kit, and ridden at night, I technically had no MOT....
Does that still apply?


1973 for the horn. 1986 for indicators.

The VT32 is an advisory notice. Same as you'd get for stuff like "tyres near end of useful tread" or "corrosion round shock mounts". Something that isn't a fail but they feel they should tell you about.

If you get stopped with cobbled up lights, they'd probably do you for them not working properly. As I understand things. An MOT is an MOT. If you have the certificate, that's it in terms of legal requirements. The legal requirements for having lights and how they work and are positioned is a totally seperate matter.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

With a KDX I would expect them to say that it is a road bike with off road styling and not "constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads", and the pillion seat would get rid of the exemption anyway (and removing the pillion pegs would just mean a fail on that as well). So it would seem dependent on a friendly tester and not meeting an unfriendly copper.

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PostPosted: 15:04 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
1973 for the horn. 1986 for indicators.

So no tooty horn on either then...
How would that work on the Cota, though, which had only a tooty horn as OE fit when it was first registered, and used on the road, in 1981? AND which actually passed an MOT so equipped three years later?
Is this a shifting goal post? Grandad rights being moved back in time, or was the Cota 'exempted' by some other curiocity of the era?
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With a KDX I would expect them to say that it is a road bike with off road styling and not "constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads", and the pillion seat would get rid of the exemption anyway (and removing the pillion pegs would just mean a fail on that as well). So it would seem dependent on a friendly tester and not meeting an unfriendly copper.

I'd be inclined to agree with that interpretation, KDX, KMX, DT, MTX, etc all being built predominantly as road vehicles.... bit like a Range Rover or Land Rover Discovery.... yes might have the 'capability' to go off road, but they are sold as 'cars' that can be used on loose and rough terrain, not buggies or tractors, designed expressly for it.
But, wording of the MOT & C&U is rather loose ISTR, and merely says something like "By virtue of tyres or ground clerance, or similar feature" or something like that.
So by THAT interpretation, I guess if you stuck knoblies on a 250N, you could claim it as having been 'adapted' for off road use....
I suppose, by similar dint of logic, removing lights and switch gear, fitting race fairings, and track tyres, as long as they have molded tread, you could also argue was 'adapted or modified predominantly for off-road use'.... race tracks not being the public road... might not be rough and bumpy, but more 'off road' than green-laning!
ANOMOLY...... stripping down the DT..... not that it needs much stripping.... to 'bare bones'.
My idea for that bike was something for tootling round town and doing the odd bit of green laning.
Its not 'every day' transport, so no real loss if it has no lights, probably wouldn't use it in the dark any way..... actually given the few candella of 6v Mag Direct lighting, through grilled headlamp.... probably not be wise even if they WERE fitted.... probably get more illumination from my mobile 'phone! Anyway....
'Strict' enterpretation of rules..... 'adpated for off road use'...... lights, indicators rear pegs removed......
"Yeah, its been adapted for 'off road use', so can you apply the exemptions mr MOT man?"
"No Problem. Where 'Off Road' you riding then?"
"Oh, just a spot of green laning"
"Here's your Fail Cert, mate"
"Pardon?"
"You've adapted it for 'On Road' Use! Green-Lanes are 'public highways'" Laughing

OK.... so, Cota isn't important unless I have notion to concourse it.... which i don't! DT, then needs an electric horn, and a freindly MOT man who'll enterpret rules 'sympathetically' to get lightless MOT on it. at risk of being stopped by unsympathetic coppa.....

Right. It LOOKS like this:-
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/030_035_Yamaha_DT/100_0438.jpg
Rusty spokes, rusty frame, flakey paint work, cobbled speedo, missing oil tank..... and without lights? and no ignition switch?
And 'legally' noisy, pre 77 spanie on air cooled two stroke motor...
And I would have to ride accross Camp Hill to get out of town to the green lanes.
Hmmmm..... I AM wondering whether the plan MIGHT be rather flawed, and I might as well simply get my High Vis, and paint on the back, "Stop Me & Try One"
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
BLUEX5 wrote:
Hmmmm..a DT MX on a "P" plate.
That's not a ringer at all then.

Laughing Not at all!
It was originally registered as a Twin Shock AT2.
Engine, is the 5-speed AT2 125
As far I can tell, 'rebuilt' into later MX frame, probably an early 80's Learner swiz.
Pitty, the AT2 would have been the more valuable bike....
If any one knows of a T-shock DT chassis without too many holes in the pressed section of the cradle going efery 'cheap'!
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
BLUEX5 wrote:
Engine is MX, the AT series use a traditional 4 stud engine that looks like that found in the RS100 / 125. The flywheel cover design and shape of the top end is obviously MX, and I've owned / messed around with enough to be sure.

I didn't say THAT engine was the AT2 motor!
The AT2 lump is sat in the Rangie.
It's a Triggers broom bike.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
weasley wrote:

a bike designed for offroad use does not require indicators, regardless of the year it was made. .


That's good to know Thumbs Up Thumbs Up thanks
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