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TheSmiler
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Buy tools before the bike ? Reply with quote

Just wondering on this question I know ill most prob get some messages about not to fuss. However here goes, I'm making sure that I can do the regular maintenance on the bike when I get it so no fussing about by lending tools of someone else.

So far i've searched the forum and by looking at suggestions people of posted in the past came to both of these links..
General tools
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_232793_langId_-1_categoryId_165572#dtab
Socket set
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rolson-Tools-36109-40-piece-Socket-Set-1-4-3-8-NEW-/150580430737?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item230f4b0791

Would you say there is anything else needed after them purchases for basic maintenance. Or replacing parts.

(Awaits replies from posters and the long one from mike Wink )
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this one

https://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=11377856&fh_view_size=150&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=Torq+set&fh_eds=%C3%9F&fh_refview=search&isSearch=true

I'm getting a torque wrench too.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 28 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOn't bother with either of those kits. The imperial sockets are next to useless, and phaze stuff is pretty crap in general.

I have a Bahco 1/2" set from screwfix (45 at the time) which runs 10mm to 32mm. That, a matching 1/4" set (20) for the little fiddly stuff, a decent set of allen keys (make sure you get ball end ones) and a set of combination spanners should do you everything you need for most jobs (bar a torque wrench).

I'd budget £100 for a full set of kit. But build it up over time. Start with the combination spanners & allen keys (probably £20 second hand from ebay). That'll let you do the basics (in combination with the bikes kit).

Then stick a fiver a week away toward a decent socket set. Buy cheap and you'll only end up slinging it.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 29 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got this and love it, qaulity tools make jobs easier.

https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=77864&group_ID=20261
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this one, very good quality.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-Expert-43675-26-Piece-4-Inch/dp/B000Y7YGYU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1304121984&sr=8-2-spell
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're OK, I got a bike in large part because I wanted something mechanical to fiddle with (modern cars being a collection of black boxes). You've found your People here.

Personally I'd start cheap, and upgrade as you find it necessary. A basic socket and spanner set will be fine for most tasks. If and when you get stuck, you can buy an impact driver, torque wrench, stud extractors and Irwin bolt grips (aaaah, heaven) as necessary to get the job done. With the intartubes, you're rarely more than 2 days away from any tool you could possibly want. I wouldn't spunk a huge amount up front on tools that you might never need, unless you plan to run a bike repair shop.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You're OK, I got a bike in large part because I wanted something mechanical to fiddle with (modern cars being a collection of black boxes). You've found your People here.

Personally I'd start cheap, and upgrade as you find it necessary. A basic socket and spanner set will be fine for most tasks. If and when you get stuck, you can buy an impact driver, torque wrench, stud extractors and Irwin bolt grips (aaaah, heaven) as necessary to get the job done. With the intartubes, you're rarely more than 2 days away from any tool you could possibly want. I wouldn't spunk a huge amount up front on tools that you might never need, unless you plan to run a bike repair shop.


First of all thank you to all replies so far the "$300" set is a quite out of my price range at the moment more like 50/100 max for the lot. Still working out on the others sets trying to find the best one for now.

@rogerborg
Well it will be for everyday use, especially when September comes and at university first lecture at 8:45 in the morning(5 days a week). So will be kinda restricted on the amount of time I can spend off the bike with buses being so darn slow and unpredictable.

What size spanner/socket set would you/anyone recommend don't really want to buy a set then find out that I don't have a certain one after forking out the cost for it.

I do on the other hand have a B&Q almost down the street from my house so not that hard to go there to get tools if i need them but they do cost an arm and leg.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
DOn't bother with either of those kits. The imperial sockets are next to useless, and phaze stuff is pretty crap in general.


i disagree completely, ive had that phase kit for a while and i swear by it, had my bike apart with it more times than i can remember, recently replaced my entire top end, and did the chain and sprockets with it and its never let me down.

the tools in that kit do what they are meant to do without a problem but for the heavier jobs i did need extra tools - torque wrench, bigger socket, tommy bar, and maybe some proper screwdrivers, the phase multi head one works alright for undoing screws ETC but its not really much use for levering etc that you might do with a normal flathead screwdriver..


the only fault with the kit ive found is that the box isn't great quality so if you're carrying it around a couple of the sockets might be loose inside the box when you open it

ive not used the imperial sockets though so can't comment there
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, I too have had the Phaze kit and the Lidl socket set for over a year and a half now.

They are brilliant. They do the job, then have never slipped. They grip well. Yes they're not as good as snap on or draper, but for £15 they are an absolute bargain.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the best set halfords do, it has quite a lot of useful stuff, ive been working in a garage about 8 months now and still use quite a few of the bits from it.

https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_categoryId_165572_langId_-1?cm_sp=Intelligent_Offer-_-Product_List_Zone_1-_-Blank&iozone=PLPz1
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 30 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 3/8 inch drive metric sets of the Halfords Professional sockets, allen sockets, deep sockets, extension bars (these get used a hell of a lot!), 8-60nm torque wrench, mini stubby ratchet tool and breaker bar and they are all absolutely fantastic. I also have a cheap set of crow foot bits which have proved invaluable when getting to things in tight spaces, especially when I want to use the torque wrench (like valve tappet covers). For screwdrivers, I just have some cheap random ones but they have been fine - seems they only see light use on a few fasteners on my particular bike - most need the sockets/spanners.

I have a set of ring spanners as well, nothing special and they are okay for general stuff like smaller fasteners or holding on to something whilst I do the other side with a socket etc.

I don't use 1/4 or 1/2 inch drive and haven't ever encountered a situation where I was at a disadvantage because I only have 3/8 inch stuff, nothing where it was too big for the job and nothing where it was too small (like 19mm spindle nuts etc). It's been just right for me.

A few 'other' tools you might want would be feeler gauges, set of drifts so you can bang stuff about without hurting things too much, a spark plug gap measuring tool, a cable oiler tool that you can hook up a can of spray lube up to, an impact driver for stubborn fasteners and a vernier gauge/calliper for measurements (the cheap digital ones on eBay are great and accurate enough IMO), maybe even a micrometer and dial gauge if you are very serious and need to make very precise measurements. I also have a C spanner attachment for the torque wrench so I can do my steering head bearings properly. Cost a fortune though, for what it is. Oh and mole grips can be good for holding stuff in place, or undoing things like the part of the throttle cable that connects to the carb.

Oh, my most recent addition was a slide hammer bearing puller for removing wheel bearings and it's very nifty indeed. For about £30, it has paid for itself in what I'd have paid in labour charges for someone else to do the job!
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 01 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozza wrote:
herulach wrote:
DOn't bother with either of those kits. The imperial sockets are next to useless, and phaze stuff is pretty crap in general.


i disagree completely, ive had that phase kit for a while and i swear by it, had my bike apart with it more times than i can remember, recently replaced my entire top end, and did the chain and sprockets with it and its never let me down.

the tools in that kit do what they are meant to do without a problem but for the heavier jobs i did need extra tools - torque wrench, bigger socket, tommy bar, and maybe some proper screwdrivers, the phase multi head one works alright for undoing screws ETC but its not really much use for levering etc that you might do with a normal flathead screwdriver..


the only fault with the kit ive found is that the box isn't great quality so if you're carrying it around a couple of the sockets might be loose inside the box when you open it

ive not used the imperial sockets though so can't comment there


The phaze 3/8" set I have is awful. The sockets on't fit the handle very well, all the adaptors need pliers to pull them off, and it generally just feels poor compared to even the modestly decent bahco stuff (teng/snapon are better again).

If you're going to buy cheap, you may as well get to screwfix/toolstation/ebay and buy the same stuff for less money. Its guaranteed to all come from the same factory in china.

Each to their own - but a decent socket set is a worthwhile investment, as is a decent set of combination spanners. They'll get used much more than anything else.

Whatever you do make sure you have enough sockets in it, i.e. find out if you need any weird sizes (even daft stuff like a 12mm hex for the fork dampers or something). Individual ones cost a fortune compared to buying them in the set.
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