Hey, what happened to the 3rd Driving License Directive?

[Rogerborg]

You know, this one, that will shag new riders and training schools when it's implemented.

[N cee thirty]

shush don't spoil it.

maybe they've ran out of money to organise this and the test changing
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[Skudd]

[Oldie]

Does't take effect until Jan 2013

[Rogerborg]

Not later than January 2013, but we should be able to see whatever mess they've made of it right now. Actually, last week. How are we supposed to piss and moan about it if we can't actually read it?

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[UPDATE - trying not to BUMP]
The House of Commons information office say (paraphrased) "Not our bag, mate, that's government, not Parliament. Talk to the Department for Transport".

Enquiries continue.
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[Raine]

The consultation phase has now finished and they are compiling the findings before putting forward their approach to delivering the requirements of the directive - so - it's a 'wait and see' ......

[Rogerborg]

Do you actually have knowledge of what stage this is at, or are you just guessing?

The DfT haven't got back to me, so I've filed a FOI with them, and a petition with the EU parliament.

Yeah, that'll get things moving...
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[Raine]

https://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/thirddirective/response.pdf

Also, member of MCITA who have representatives on the working parties for the changes being proposed in respect of 2dld changes, 3dld, trainer booking, etc.

[Rogerborg]

Sure, I've been following (and responding to some of) the consultations, what I'm interested in is what, if anything, is happening now. It should be carved in stone already: all they're doing is reducing the time available for people to prepare for it.

What I suspect is that it's being punted around until they can find someone daft enough to actually make a decision on it.
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[Rogerborg]

Yup, pretty much what I thought.

Response is here

[Rogerborg]

And the beat goes on.

I got another response explaining the already public facts, i.e. that it took nearly 3 years for the DfT to perform a public consultation.

I've again clarified that I'm asking why the delay happened.

Quite enjoying this now.
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[Beelzebob]

Roger - if they clearly haven't answered your request, why don't you write to them and ask for an internal review of the response? (based on understanding of how Scottish information requests work).

Should this again fail to respond, you would then have the right to take it to the information commissioner who, should he find in your favour, would kick their arse up and down the street, metaphorically speaking. *gets popcorn*

Of course the review and ICO review are not fast processes, so you might not get an answer until 2013... would be a bit pointless wouldn't it.
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[grant965]

im 17 and started my 2 year restriction on the 2nd of march, if this directive comes into force am i going to have to do further tests?
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[drzsta]

[Rogerborg]

...almost certainly not.

I can't imagine that an A license would downgrade to an A2 (or A1!) if it's still restricted on January 2013, we won't know for sure until we see the legislation, which is why it needs to be published now, not when the DfT feel like it.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Willson]

From what I've been told/gathered, as long as you've passed your A2, you shouldn't be affected. (Like me... yay! But only a year to go this August.)
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[tvr321]

Can someone explain to me what the EU do other than sit around, eating at fancy restaurants with our money and making up pointless and counter-productive legislation?

Who the fuck thought up this wasteful supra-national organisation?

[Willson]

The following:

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That's it.

And I'm not sure who thought it up, or who put fucking Brussels in charge.

...they're probably scorned because people don't like their sprouts...
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[Rogerborg]

[Sham]

^ Why are you so bothered? Genuine question.

[Rogerborg]

Long term pragmatism: I want there to be more bikers and more bikes around. We're all safer, and have wider selection of used bikes. I'm interested in how badly the DfT is going to nob up the 3rd Directive and reduce the number of candidates.

Short term principle: why should our government consider themselves above the law that they enforce? Can I tell them I'll pay my VED if and when I feel like it?
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[tvr321]

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