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PostPosted: 01:33 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: What steps do I need to take? Reply with quote

Hey guys.. already got my first bike and all my gear for it, but it's still in the shop at the moment and I haven't been on it yet. In fact, I've never been on a bike before.

I sent off for my provisional a couple of weeks ago, and I now have that, so I can book in for a CBT. I'm planning on booking in for next weekend.

The bike is a Derbi Senda Cross City 125, but I imagine that I'll be wanting something slightly bigger at some point in time. I've had a look at a few bikes around the 600cc mark, as I imagine that's the size I'll be needing.

My main point of interest for this thread, is about what additional tests I will need. I'm currently under the impression that I won't need to complete an Mod1 or Mod2 test, and that as long as I have my A2, I'll be able to ride anything up to 33bhp for 2 years, and after that I'll be allowed to get whatever I want.

I should think that I'll be using my Cross City 125 for around 2 years. I've just turned 17, and in hopefully will be going to uni in just over a years time, meaning that if I was to take my A2 at some point soon.. I'd be able to get any size bike by the time I start my second year at uni.

What exactly do the Mod1 and Mod2 tests do? Would that just mean I can ride any size bike instantly, rather than waiting 2 years?

What benefit would I have from taking the Mod1 and Mod2 tests, considering I probably won't need to upgrade my bike for 2 years anyway?

Am I right in thinking that the A2 will permit me to ride any bike I want 2 years after completion, as well as allowing me to carry a passenger, ride on motorways and remove my L-Plates?

What sort of experience/training is needed for both the Mod1 and Mod2 tests, and also the A2? Would I be able to pass the A2 simply from riding around on my own with my Cross City 125?

Cheers guys, all help is very much appreciated Smile


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PostPosted: 01:51 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what M1 and M2 are, ive never heard from them.
I do know that there is no test you can take below the age of 21 that will let you ride a bigger bike (>33bhp) instantly.
I think your best bet is to do the CBT, ride around on the 125 for a few months and get used to it, whilst doing the bike theory test. Then book a course and A2 in the summer. That way, you'll be off the 33bhp in two years Smile
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
I'm not sure what M1 and M2 are, ive never heard from them.
I do know that there is no test you can take below the age of 21 that will let you ride a bigger bike (>33bhp) instantly.
I think your best bet is to do the CBT, ride around on the 125 for a few months and get used to it, whilst doing the bike theory test. Then book a course and A2 in the summer. That way, you'll be off the 33bhp in two years Smile


Sorry, error on my part.. I meant the module 1 and module 2 tests.. I've edited my first post now.

Yeah, was planning on getting the theory done at some point soon.. literally just taken an online test as well Razz. Think I might need to learn a tad more before feeling fully confident that I can pass it though.

Do I need to have my theory in order to have the A2?

And how long would I need to do a course for in order to get my A2? Are they expensive?

Cheers
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Module 1 and Module 2 are constituents of all full motorcycle tests. What you're allowed to ride depends completely on which bike the modules are taken on. If you are under 21, you want the A2 test which will result in a restricted license for 2 years then the restriction is lifted. This is taken IIRC on a bike of between 120 and 125cc.

If you're over 21 you have the option of DAS, which is the exact same test taken on a bike producing >35Kw (I.e. a 500 commuter upwards) This will result in an unrestricted license from day 1 and will allow you to ride anything immediately.

AT ALL COSTS avoid the A1 test, which is taken on a bike of between 75 and 125cc and allows you to ride only an 11Kw 125cc bike without L plates. That's a complete waste of time and money.

EDIT: You need a valid CBT and theory for all of the above.
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
Module 1 and Module 2 are constituents of all full motorcycle tests. What you're allowed to ride depends completely on which bike the modules are taken on. If you are under 21, you want the A2 test which will result in a restricted license for 2 years then the restriction is lifted. This is taken IIRC on a bike of between 120 and 125cc.

If you're over 21 you have the option of DAS, which is the exact same test taken on a bike producing >35Kw (I.e. a 500 commuter upwards) This will result in an unrestricted license from day 1 and will allow you to ride anything immediately.

AT ALL COSTS avoid the A1 test, which is taken on a bike of between 75 and 125cc and allows you to ride only an 11Kw 125cc bike without L plates. That's a complete waste of time and money.

EDIT: You need a valid CBT and theory for all of the above.


Thanks! Very helpful and informative Smile
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The bike is a Derbi Senda Cross City 125, but I imagine that I'll be wanting something slightly bigger at some point in time. I've had a look at a few bikes around the 600cc mark, as I imagine that's the size I'll be needing.


If you are under 19 years of age, I would get your A2 test done as soon as possible. It'll allow you to ride an unrestricted 600cc bike the quickest, and it'll help with your insurance too. That said, there are plenty of smaller capacity bikes that would make an ideal first 'big' bike.

If you're older than 19, you could still do your A2 but it'll mean a longer wait for an unrestricted license (2 yrs) than if you just rode around on L plates until you're 21 then took a Direct Access test.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
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The bike is a Derbi Senda Cross City 125, but I imagine that I'll be wanting something slightly bigger at some point in time. I've had a look at a few bikes around the 600cc mark, as I imagine that's the size I'll be needing.


If you are under 19 years of age, I would get your A2 test done as soon as possible. It'll allow you to ride an unrestricted 600cc bike the quickest, and it'll help with your insurance too. That said, there are plenty of smaller capacity bikes that would make an ideal first 'big' bike.

If you're older than 19, you could still do your A2 but it'll mean a longer wait for an unrestricted license (2 yrs) than if you just rode around on L plates until you're 21 then took a Direct Access test.


Only just turned 17, so yeah.. think getting my A2 done as soon as I can would probably be best Smile

What would you consider the smallest capacity bike should be for my first 'big' bike?
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't answer that for you. All I can say is, many people get caught up in the 'shiny plastic sportsbike is best' roundabout and deny themselves the opportunity of a broad range of motorcycling experiences. Only you can know what tickles your fancy, I wouldn't be too keen to base it on cubic capacity.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike choice is entirely personal, and statistics mean very little. You'll have to find a bike that you get on with. But you're a long way away from that.

Pete. wrote:
If you're older than 19, you could still do your A2 but it'll mean a longer wait for an unrestricted license (2 yrs) than if you just rode around on L plates until you're 21 then took a Direct Access test.


Not any more. Licensing laws will change on January 19th 2013, and the DAS age will rise to 24. It's probably better to do an A2 test now and start the clock on the 25kW restriction.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not any more. Licensing laws will change on January 19th 2013, and the DAS age will rise to 24. It's probably better to do an A2 test now and start the clock on the 25kW restriction.


Never knew that. Looks like it's going to be a busy year for bike tests.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2006/126/EC aka the 3rd European Driving License Directive aka Screw You, Bikey McBikesalot.

We're still waiting on the DfT publishing the UK's exact implementation (pushing 4 months late) but the introduction date and license categories are fixed. The short story is: if you're 17, pass the current A2 ASAP. It'll start to get a bit trickier for people who are nearly 19 as we approach January 2013 and folks will have to weight the current 2-year 25kW restriction against the new 35kW A2 that doesn't upgrade automatically, but at the moment it's a no brainer for younger riders.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK and are they going to put similar restrictions in place for car drivers? For example Mr 17 year old with no experience but rich parents who can afford the insurance is allowed to drive anything.

Back on topic yes Liam you need to have the theory to do the A2 Mod 2 (i'm not sure about Mod 1 but i'd guess not since it's offroad). There's no restriction on what bike cc you can get, as long as it's 33bhp or less. For example the SV650 is a popular bike to 33bhp
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 08 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Back on topic yes Liam you need to have the theory to do the A2 Mod 2 (i'm not sure about Mod 1 but i'd guess not since it's offroad).


Nope, the sequence for getting a license is:
Arrow CBT and Theory in either order.
Arrow Module 1 - you must show your CBT and Theory pass.
Arrow Module 2 - you must show your CBT, Theory pass, and Module 1 pass.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 09 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify (if roger hasn't already). To get the A2 (you seem to understand what this is) you must pass a test, the test includes mod1 AND mod2 taken on a 125cc bike. You must also have a valid theory test.
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