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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: Who knows what a "gambole" is? Reply with quote
I thought it was a universal term but it seems that it is just Brummie slang.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lambs gambol, but I'm married to a brummie.... who also pronounces it gambole.


I pronounce gambol like gamble. He pronounces gambol like gam bowl.

I'l be having gammy gambling gam bowls gambolling 'round my head all night now
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
is this the gambol that's often accompanied by a bit of a frolic?


Edit: What hedgehugger said.

*must not start typing then get distracted by the tv*
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: , Reply with quote
A gambole is a forward roll , you do it a lot when you are a kid, Im from Coventry so its not just brummie slang unless it means something entirely different in Birmingham.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gambolling through the fields is what piglets, calves, and lambs do when they've just had their knackers whipped out. It's the animal equivalent of hopping up and down, going "Bbbbbaaaassssttttaaarddddd!!!!!"

(According to my dad who used to keep pigs when he was young).
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gambole is a forward tuck & roll thing. I'm from Wolverhampton. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those of you from the WM region hit it on the head, I bet you also call roundabouts "Islands".
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
What about palin', yampy, riffy or saft? I'm from the Black Country and most definately not a Brummy.




FWIW the dialect of the Black Country is one of the last true examples of Old English. It sort of helped me with the German language. Take 'to go' for example. In German it is 'gehen'. Black country 'gooen'
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Marki wrote:
FWIW the dialect of the Black Country is one of the last true examples of Old English.


Middle English, not Old.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tarmacsurfer wrote:
Marki wrote:
FWIW the dialect of the Black Country is one of the last true examples of Old English.


Middle English, not Old.


Thanks for the correction.

For the pedants, the Black Country Dialect is a fine example of early Middle English with demonstrable usage of Old English.


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The contrast between the vowel “o” and “a”, for example in the words mon/man, ‘ommer/hammer, rot/rat, has been well demonstrated by linguists. This dates even further back, from the days of Old English. The main dialect then was West Saxon, which used the “a”, while Midlanders said the same words in Mercian with the “o” sound.

Black Country verbs do not seem to have a perfect. Think of these sentences: “the glass wuz took out o’ the frairm” and “if er’d a-knew it wuz yer birthday, er’d a-bought yer a present”.
Old English did not have a perfect, and it came into Middle English by using the verb “to have” in a new way. For example, “I have the fish as caught” eventually became “I have caught the fish”. The verb to be was also used for while, for example “I am come”, but then dropped
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Marki wrote:
Thanks for the correction.


Don't mention it. For the record, always take BBC articles with a pinch of salt. It has elements of Middle English but it's hardly a living example of the language as it was spoken. I'm not questioning that it's an interesting regional dialect, just some of the statements you're making. They're simply not true. As to the "demonstrable usage", that appears in most variants of the language. Etymology is a fascinating subject Razz

To quote the article in question -

Ed Conduit wrote:
Black Country Dialect (BCD) appears to keep some features of Early Middle English.


Getting back on topic, it does appear to be a regional thing. Confused the fuck out of me the first time my ex referred to gambolling(sp?), I knew it as the animal equivalent of skipping and the context totally threw me Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tarmacsurfer wrote:
Etymology is a fascinating subject



Yes, insects are pretty amazing.

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The black country accent has the same effect on me as listening to nails getting scraped down a black board, followed closely by a scouse accent Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
scorps wrote:
The black country accent has the same effect on me as listening to nails getting scraped down a black board, followed closely by a scouse accent Laughing


^^This. I find them both to be horrible accents.

This study, (and this one too) concluded that many people associate Brummie accents with a speaker who is 'stupid and unimaginative'.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
Those of you from the WM region hit it on the head, I bet you also call roundabouts "Islands".

Where I grew up the roundabouts are 'circles' As in Berkley circle (the pub/hotel on the corner of it is The Berkley), the Queensway circle (the pub on the corner of it is The Queensway), etc., you get the idea.

On topic I did think you might have meant gimbal but you mentioned Brummie. I guess it is a localism. Bit like tenfoot=snicket=cut=passage/alley way.

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PostPosted: 20:48 - 23 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Marki wrote:
What about palin', yampy, riffy or saft? I'm from the Black Country and most definately not a Brummy.




FWIW the dialect of the Black Country is one of the last true examples of Old English. It sort of helped me with the German language. Take 'to go' for example. In German it is 'gehen'. Black country 'gooen'


Old , true English is pre-Viking, everything after that is Germanic, and largely started around an area known as Danelaw, which spanned pretty much the entire of the north and may have just about included what is now the Black Country. English has absolutely loads of German influence.

monday - montag
wedensday - wodenstag (now mittwoch - 'middle week' - lazy modern germans, hah)
friday - freitag
samstag
sonntag

bread - brot
can - kann
go - gehe
hello - hallo

And then when the French invaded, our current form of English evolved. So now we have other, ususally more complex, words which originated in France. The English numerical system is an absolute mish-mash of the two.

one - un - French
two - deux - French
three - trois - drei - Both
four - vier - German
five - funf - German
six - six - sechs - Both
seven - sept - seben - German
eight - huit - acht - French
nine - nuff - nine - Both
ten - dix - zehn - German.

I saw somewhere the English language quite fittingly described as an attempt by Norman soldiers to pick up Anglo-Saxon barmaids. For those of you who aren't so hot on historical terms, that means it was created by French soldiers trying to pick up the Viking barmaids, who spoke German.

Anyway I've gone off on a fucking huge tangent here. What I wanted to say was that I'd like to argue that the original languages of the British Isles might just be Welsh and Gaelic.
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And back on topic, who here knows what a ginnel is? Or a croggy?

I was with a bunch of southern/midland people for a short while and they were pretty damn lost on what they were. It's a Yorkshire/northern thing I think.

Also, I learned some great scottish terms, namely, 'Piece-'n' 'xxxx'' means 'xxxx' sandwich. 'Piece'n'bacon' - Bacon buttie.
Also jobby = scottish shit.
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ginnel is alley and croggy is another word for sitting on handlebars ie gis a croggy I believe
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