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| Aikman666 |
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 Posted: 21:46 - 11 Jun 2011 Post subject: Learning a second language? |
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I've always wanted to learn a second language - I done French in school but had absolutely no interest in it at all with more pressing subjects on my plate.
Nowadays I have quite a desire to have a second language - And I have Italian routes that I'd like to follow and I would love to learn the language.
What is the easiest most casual way to start learning? Doing night classes/moving to Italy are a bit out of the question at the moment! Has anyone done self teaching methods before? ____________________ Will work for petrol
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Audio or online is fine but Its worth finding Evening classes if only for the chance to interact with a person. Try to find a couple of movies in the language you want to learn.
Nothing beats being stuck in a country for a few months. I speak English and German but, simply due to exposure,know enough French, Italian, Greek, Croatian and Dutch to get by. The biggest obstacle for many people is self imposed embarrassment. Get used to be corrected and you will learn a lot faster. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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Find yourself a foreign woman Worked for me!
Seriously, nothing beats being in a country to learn the lingo.
I do German( fluentish) and French and can understand Cloggy. A smattering of Turkish and Burmese helps too
I tried learning German at night school but didn't get on with it. ____________________ '93 Africa Twin RD07, C-90,MTX-125,H-100,XL-125, a 125UAG(CG copy!) |
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| mistergixer |
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| fredsredhat wrote: | i agree. i only know very basic french but when i go to france the people respond VERY well to my trying and i feel more confident to try harder |
I think that's the same in any country(or at least the ones i've been too).
Think of it from the opposite perspective, if (when in your native land) a foreigner refused to attempt to speak any English to you, would you be especially disposed to assist them?
I think a lot of English people are especially lazy/ignorant when it comes to foreign languages - there's nothing that makes me cringe more when i'm abroad than hearing other English people not even making an effort and expecting everyone to accommodate them in English.
FFS, how hard is it to learn a few of the basics, even 'Do you speak English?' in whatever language is native to the country you're in??
I was talking to a chap at work the other day who'd lived for a year in Holland, he was (strangely) proud of the fact that he hadn't learnt any Dutch whilst he was over there, not a single word of it. For sure the Dutch speak impeccable English, but to not even learn 'hello/goodbye' and 'please/thank you' is fucking ignorant IMHO.
Anyway, rant over - like other's have said, there's nothing quite like immersion to aid learning a language. Pick up a phrasebook to help with the basics, and don't be embarrassed to try the lingo when over there.
I learnt basic French and German at school, but my level has improved dramatically by just being over there and muddling through. I speak a bit of Korean too, again, immersion really helped me there - i still get a perverse sense of enjoyment from seeing the faces of the staff in Korean restaurants in London when i start speaking Korean to them....it ensures i get a good meal from them too.
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I always considered myself functionally retarded with language learning. Always tried to pick up Greek/Polish/German/Spanish/Italian from friends... but the 'whats the word for X' approach is pretty pointless. I could just about bluff my way through portuguese by the end of 4 months there, as I had to boss the staff about sometimes and most spoke little english. And ordering a beer in (basically) spanish is awesome (una cerveza por favor).
However, getting stranded in Thailand where no one speaks English, I started to pick it up very quickly, and after a year could have quite good conversations (and never spoke any English really/had white friends). But I never had any good teachers, and most of the struggle was pronounciation and getting over the 'oooh, speaking with an accent is weird... I must say this british as possible'.
Now I've been in Vietnam a month, and I can have simple conversations/make simple sentences. Listening is harder, but getting there. Everyone else here is adamant you don't need to learn Vietnamese
But, certainly, the first language is the bastard. After that, it's easier. And immersion is the way forward. If you have a degree, go get a TEFL and teach english in Italy (after you learn the basics here). ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
From September 2014 to January/February 2015 I will not be using any English, nor reading any. As such, I won't be on here. PM at will, but I won't be checking/posting unless in emergencies. Certainly not for the first couple of months. Please berate me savagely if I break that rule... |
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Im a teacher of English as a foreign language and speak Spanish pretty well too, the most important thing is to get to know English first (seriously). as soon as i started teaching I learnt and understood more spanish as i had to learn how english worked. Brush up on nouns/adjectives/verbs and how they are used and then it will make sense. I did learn most of my spanish when working in Argentina but picked up a lot more when teaching english there It is hard work doing at home as you get lazy well l i do, theres a mountain of books you can get i would go to college then practice at home.For me the teachyourself (thats a brand name) books are great, and they can supplement what you have learned but there are loads to choose from, when getting a book try to get someone who knows the language to go with you as half the time the books focus too much on irrelevant things at beginner level (in my opinion) if you do get listening CD make sure you get a book that complements it. try your library if its any good. ____________________ Honda CBF 125 |
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I didnt say i was good ha ha! Nope not teaching paragraphing to my students and the present. Maybe i should take my text in and get them to correct it, considering im teaching pre intermediates at the moment i dont think we'd get past the first sentence........
What i said about the teach yourself books is true though, they are really useful. ____________________ Honda CBF 125 |
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I used to have a Filipino girlfriend, i only learnt 2 bits of Tagalog: 'Hello', and 'you fucking bitch' - rather apt, as that's what she was.
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Aye, tis' the norm in Brummy land Thankfully the only language I've not used in the UK is Dutch. I have yet to meet one that didn't speak very good English.
I started to learn Chinese some years ago but didn't get very far. I'd like to learn a bit of Arabic, might have a go now I've found Rosetta Stone. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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ive done german now.. (Got certificates and everything - including money from the government! woop!!)
bloody hard to start off with.
tryed pimsleur, and i thought it was utter tosh.. and another one from torrents.
Tryed rosetta stone, but hated it. didnt find it very good...
Luckily, living in germany, i was picking it up by hearing it (allbeit, i live right down south, where they dont speak proper german anyway (Bayrish - kind of a slangy dialect))
ended up going to a 4 hour a day school where all that was spoken was German... and picked it up very fast...
then you have to get over the huge huge hurdle of 'not being bothered' if you get it wrong, or sound like a tw*t, when speaking it......
Once your past that, its all upwards....
Id suggest booking a holiday to a place where they speak the language you want to learn... try to only speak that language as soon as you know a little bit... or if your a little slower to pick it up... listen to a conversation... work out the words you know and then translate it back to english... (if that makes sense!!)
dont worry about spellings and things, learn to speak it first i say!! ____________________ 1978 MZ TS 250 1 Supa 5
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When I speak German they think I'm a Cloggy, due to my Bristol accent
But then the cloggies think I'm Australian
..and they speak Fränkisch round our way...a bastardisation of Bayerisch and Hessich.. ____________________ '93 Africa Twin RD07, C-90,MTX-125,H-100,XL-125, a 125UAG(CG copy!) |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 15 years, 154 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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