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Robbeh
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Cracks and lines in the road Reply with quote

Quick question:

Is it normal for a motorbike to follow the cracks / lines / contours in the road. Like I don't mean completely stuck to them but as in follow the grove which can sometimes feel uneasy.

Just wondering if every bike does this or if it's a problem with my bike even though it past MOT recently.

Hard question to explain so hopefully it's written in a way you guys can comprehend.

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PostPosted: 18:34 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh, it's physics, the defect in the road allows the wheels to sit in it and causes it to follow the defect a bit like a tram wheel in tram tracks.

Easy to deal with, a gentle pressure on one or other end of the handle bars and you'll move out of it.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

or wrong tyre pressures, I know when I need to put some air in before the sensors decide it's too low, when the bike starts to "track" a little.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it happens more the older/squarer the tyres are. New tyres normally sort it out but that's an expensive fix.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some bikes/tyres do it worse than others but they all do it to an extent.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They tell you to look for and avoid road defects and 'overbanding' (where they use molten tarmacadam to fill joints or other small gaps in tarmac.)

I'm sure I'm due for a tug from the old bill for steering around Britain's roads.
Even on the straight sections.
I was in Germany via Holland last year and was appalled at how good their roads are.
I noticed a symptom of road defects there. You see a 'defect' on the road ahead and brace for it's effect on your bike but when you pass it it's like riding over a shadow.
Germany must have spent the last fifty years filling in all the pot holes the RAF made between 39 and 45.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
They tell you to look for and avoid road defects and 'overbanding' (where they use molten tarmacadam to fill joints or other small gaps in tarmac.)

I'm sure I'm due for a tug from the old bill for steering around Britain's roads.
Even on the straight sections.
I was in Germany via Holland last year and was appalled at how good their roads are.
I noticed a symptom of road defects there. You see a 'defect' on the road ahead and brace for it's effect on your bike but when you pass it it's like riding over a shadow.
Germany must have spent the last fifty years filling in all the pot holes the RAF made between 39 and 45.


Dunno about that. I've been on some pretty shady bits of road surface on the Autobahn. Especially the more Eastern parts of the E40. Quite as few areas where the top road surface has started to delaminate in lines which are horrible to ride a motorcycle on. Some of the clover-leafs leave a lot to be desired with crumbling road surfaces where too many over-large wagons have cornered.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for advice. At least I know that it isn't a faulty bike. Must be the roads where I live as they don't even tarmac then anymore. They make us bed them in ourselves Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
MCN wrote:
They tell you to look for and avoid road defects and 'overbanding' (where they use molten tarmacadam to fill joints or other small gaps in tarmac.)

I'm sure I'm due for a tug from the old bill for steering around Britain's roads.
Even on the straight sections.
I was in Germany via Holland last year and was appalled at how good their roads are.
I noticed a symptom of road defects there. You see a 'defect' on the road ahead and brace for it's effect on your bike but when you pass it it's like riding over a shadow.
Germany must have spent the last fifty years filling in all the pot holes the RAF made between 39 and 45.


Dunno about that. I've been on some pretty shady bits of road surface on the Autobahn. Especially the more Eastern parts of the E40. Quite as few areas where the top road surface has started to delaminate in lines which are horrible to ride a motorcycle on. Some of the clover-leafs leave a lot to be desired with crumbling road surfaces where too many over-large wagons have cornered.


Oh well we were bee-lining to Nurburg so possibly not good enough sample of roads. But the roads we were on were fine. We even did some cultural riding when the track was closed to the public.
I was likening it to the 'Road Fund Duty paid for roads' in UK.
I never used to moan too much about it as most roads weren't too bad but I don't think they spend even half the money on road maintenance than before.
Though if you ask the council they often reply, 'The roads are designed and maintained as a transport network and not for recreation.' Bastirts. Smile
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a road near me (Old Hill By-Pass) that has a track running diagonally across the lane, so it's impossible to avoid.

I always try to cross it in the same place, so I know what to expect, but one time when it felt different, I checked my tyres and found they needed topping up.

Some of the roads around here are really crap, and the 'tracking' affects cars too.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is one I use regularly that has one right down the line you would take the corner on

I have complained but as I was the only one they ignored it

its worse for scooters Embarassed by the way Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
its worse for scooters Embarassed by the way Laughing

One of the reasons why I got shot of my Burgman. CRASH JOLT WEEEAVE.

Skinny tyres (125s, Enfields) can also be a bit tramline-happy.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike follow lines very badly when the pressure in the front tyre isn't perfect.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robbeh wrote:
Cheers for advice. At least I know that it isn't a faulty bike. Must be the roads where I live as they don't even tarmac then anymore. They make us bed them in ourselves Crying or Very sad


fresh tar + chippings?

yeh, i'ts not your bike at all but check tyre pressures
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
Robbeh wrote:
Cheers for advice. At least I know that it isn't a faulty bike. Must be the roads where I live as they don't even tarmac then anymore. They make us bed them in ourselves Crying or Very sad


fresh tar + chippings?

yeh, i'ts not your bike at all but check tyre pressures


I guess thats what it is! Stone chippings on every other bloody road hate riding on it when fresh as well.

Pressure was checked before MOT and during and felt the same then. Just one of those things I guess!
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first journey after buying a bike. There was a band of tar all along the centre of the road that had sunk in the heat. The tyre kept getting drawn into it so I had to position the bike 3/4 of the way across my side of the road.

Last night I went for a spin and the council had just spread chippings all along the road. It felt like riding on marbles. It felt like the bike would come out from underneath me at any time. I just prayed I didnt have to use the brakes.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonWal wrote:
My first journey after buying a bike. There was a band of tar all along the centre of the road that had sunk in the heat. The tyre kept getting drawn into it so I had to position the bike 3/4 of the way across my side of the road.

Last night I went for a spin and the council had just spread chippings all along the road. It felt like riding on marbles. It felt like the bike would come out from underneath me at any time. I just prayed I didnt have to use the brakes.


welcome to my 'driveway'

where I store my bike is up an un-made road and gravel lane, it's not too bad as I can go steady away but it's not nice when you've cars razzing up your butt
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of you guys saying about front tire psi should be perfect. Whats perfect for FZS 600 because I'm reading different psi's from different people.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 31 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robbeh wrote:
Alot of you guys saying about front tire psi should be perfect. Whats perfect for FZS 600 because I'm reading different psi's from different people.


from the (1999) manual

Maximum load* 187 kg
Cold tire pressure

Up to 90 kg load*
Front 225 kPa(2.25 kg/cm2, 2.25 bar)
Rear 250 kPa (2.50 kg/cm2, 2.50 bar)
90 kg Maximum load*
Front 225 kPa (2.25 kg/cm2, 2.25 bar)
Rear 290 kPa (2.90 kg/cm2, 2.90 bar)
High speed riding
Front 225 kPa (2.25 kg/cm2, 2.25 bar)
Rear 290 kPa (2.90 kg/cm2, 2.90 bar)
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