Police TV shows - antagonising, trespassing etc etc

[DrDonnyBrago]

Was watching one of those "look how cool we are and how much better we are than everyone in Britain" type police programmes last night.

Two things aside from the usual police propaganda struck me.

The first one was some lad arrested for hanging around a cashpoint waiting to jump the security guard. Fair enough he has been caught, but the camera man had his camera in the lads face continually, the guy was getting aggressive and annoyed at being filmed so he was stuck in the car, the cameraman then started filming through the window to which the lad was quite vocally telling him to F off and kicking the door. Rather than do the obvious thing and shift the camera man out of the way to keep the peace the cop gets in the the back of the car, pins the guy down and threatens to do him for damaging his car.

Second one was a group of pot heads that were busted for stolen property and drug dealing; this time the cameraman followed them into the house and filmed inside the property whilst the occupants were arrested for various things.



What could you do if you were in either situation?

I'm guessing the first instance is it's a public place so anyone can film all they want (unless you are filming the police behaving badly in which case you will branded a terrorist, detained and your camera will be kicked in) but surely the police should have asked their cameraman to step back a bit and not cause unnecessary stress, same as they would have asked any random passer by to GTFO and stop shit stirring.

Second instance was someone's private dwelling. The police were let in but how the hell do they justify letting the cameraman in. It is not a public area it is someone's house and the camera man is a civilian entering without permission. If the police turn up at your door with a cameraman in tow what could you do to get rid of the camera?

When people are pulled over for traffic offences on road wars etc what rights do they have to be dealt with off camera? Given that nobody ever asks permission on these programmes I think I might whip out my phone and record my next interactions with the police.

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Try to keep calm. As always, make no statement regarding the crime of which you are accused. Demand to know the reason for your arrest and the charge against you. Do not admit to or deny the charge, or even acknowledge that you understand it.

Instead, state clearly that you do not consent to being filmed, and that it's a violation of your right to a private life (ECHR Article 8). This is your answer to any question.

Bring a civil case afterwards against the force and the company who profited from your image. Demand royalties.
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[DrDonnyBrago]

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The police, even when wearing a uniform, have the same powers and responsibilities as a normal civilian. They may have additional ones, for instance additional powers to compel a stop and search, but they have no less responsibilities. It's called the Ram Doctrine - that even when working as part of the state an individual, (be it police, civil servant, soldier or politician) has no special status under the law.

So for the first one the copper could be prosecuted for breach of the peace on the basis that his refusal to ask the cameraman to move led to an escalation in violence that is likely to cause alarm to the general public. The cameraman could be prosecuted for the same thing. In reality the police are unlikely to investigate their colleagues, but you could submit a report to the CPS or Fiscal yourself or even pursue a private prosecution.

As for the second one, in England at least, the camera crew are committing trespass by being in your home as soon as you make it known that you do not want them to be there. That is unless they are included in the warrant which is technically possible, and which, although a gross misuse of the arms of justice, would not surprise me at all.
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[yuri2085]

Very interesting points. Its true the coppers go big time out of their way to defend the camera man but if joe public comes along they will often get aggressive telling them to move along and stop creating trouble.


I don't know about that house situation does seem very wrong if the camera man was included in the warrant.

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[DrDonnyBrago]

If anyone is interested then I am fairly certain it was road wars, last night at 10pm ish - tv guide suggests it may have been road wars episode 1 of the 5th season, might torrent it later to confirm.

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[Kris]

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Hi

Nein, ganz sicher.

Too much of the time there is far too little difference in attitude between the scroates and those who are meant to be dealing with them.

All the best

Keith
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[Livefast123]

I'd probably suggest that seeing a moped about late at night that they were checking it wasn't stolen.

But I agree the type of cop attracted to these shows are usually cocks.
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