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PostPosted: 20:38 - 20 Jun 2011    Post subject: Police bike chase action! Reply with quote
Was surprised to witness an unmarked ford mondeo chasing an R1200GS today in south London on the approach to the Albert Bridge which has been closed at least the last six months.
The idiot rider obviously didnt know the bridge was shut (didnt plan the getaway too well) and locked the BM's back wheel big time slowing down (smoking it sliding sideways and nearly dropping the bike) before the barricade then swerved to the left and took the wrong side of the road up Parkgate Road like a total twat bypassing us queuing at the traffic lights!
I'd love to know what happened and I hope they nailed the tool (probably a stolen bike by the look of the jeans and trainers chav on it) around the next corner to a lamp post.
Brief bit of almost film quality excitement there to an otherwise mundane day! I get the feeling the Mondeo would struggle to stay near him though to tell the truth though he was doing some stupid speed for slow residential London streets.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 20 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tax disc was probably out of date.....
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 20 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I genuinely thought the first post was going to be a tv listing.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 20 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
tatters wrote:
Tax disc was probably out of date.....


Surely they wouldn't pursue for that! They're public servants, not revenue collectors.

Probably just wanted to tell him his chain was a bit slack. Wait, it's shaft drive. Bent subframe? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
tatters wrote:
Tax disc was probably out of date.....

Surely they wouldn't pursue for that! They're public servants, not revenue collectors.


Definitely wouldn't pursue for that - although if he (or she) failed to stop for them that's usually enough for a pursuit to be authorised (could be other outstanding offences, rider wanted, bike recently stolen, etc) until conditions become too dangerous; heavy traffic, no helmet, driving through the London-Brighton bike ride, etc.

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probably just wanted to tell him his chain was a bit slack.


Traffic are so weary you might be right!

One cheese-munching trafpol once saw my bike in the back yard and spent 20 minutes asking everyone in in the building who it belonged to, so he could give me a lecture about my loose chain and the baby kittens it was killing.
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Most police pursuits are over very little in the way of an initial offence. Someone commits a traffic offence or has no insurance or something so the police go to pull them over, then the drugs they're carrying or the outstanding arrest warrant makes them try and escape. So the guy making a bid for freedom might be wanted on a rape charge for all we know.

Bikes attract enough police attention to make riding one if you're a wanted man a pretty stupid thing to do.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Frost wrote:
Most police pursuits are over very little in the way of an initial offence. Someone commits a traffic offence or has no insurance or something so the police go to pull them over, then the drugs they're carrying or the outstanding arrest warrant makes them try and escape. So the guy making a bid for freedom might be wanted on a rape charge for all we know.

Bikes attract enough police attention to make riding one if you're a wanted man a pretty stupid thing to do.


I would love to know just what was inspiring that guy on the BM to ride away from the following Mondeo like that though, honestly he nearly crashed it just before the barricade slowing so heavily locking the back wheel then continued up the wrong side of the road through 2 sets of red lights!
For all I know he'd just done a bank job or something! He seemed hellishly keen to get away from that unmarked car.
Wonder if they caught him?
I've never actually seen police give chase to a bike like that before.
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Frost wrote:
Most police pursuits are over very little in the way of an initial offence. Someone commits a traffic offence or has no insurance or something so the police go to pull them over, then the drugs they're carrying or the outstanding arrest warrant makes them try and escape. So the guy making a bid for freedom might be wanted on a rape charge for all we know.

Bikes attract enough police attention to make riding one if you're a wanted man a pretty stupid thing to do.


I would love to know just what was inspiring that guy on the BM to ride away from the following Mondeo like that though, honestly he nearly crashed it just before the barricade slowing so heavily locking the back wheel then continued up the wrong side of the road through 2 sets of red lights!
For all I know he'd just done a bank job or something! He seemed hellishly keen to get away from that unmarked car.
Wonder if they caught him?
I've never actually seen police give chase to a bike like that before.



If your running from the cops already your hardly going to give 2 craps about the lights or which side of the road you're on. Although I did see one a police chase once where the guy was indicating on every turn and when they caught him he was rather drunk and couldnt work out how the police could anticipate his turns.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
There were a spate of jewellery store robberies in London last year or the year before, with young slag riding up/away on sports bikes. Don't think they'd extend to an old man's bike like that.

It's usually some idiot wanted for something else, or who is riding/driving disqual.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:


Probably just wanted to tell him his chain was a bit slack. Wait, it's shaft drive. Bent subframe? Very Happy


WRONG, it wouldn't have been bent, this is BCF. It was twisted.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
There were a spate of jewellery store robberies in London last year or the year before, with young slag riding up/away on sports bikes. Don't think they'd extend to an old man's bike like that.

It's usually some idiot wanted for something else, or who is riding/driving disqual.


I thought chasing bikes was usually deemed too risky (h&S etc) for the police so they don't usually do it?
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheeseybeaner wrote:

I thought chasing bikes was usually deemed too risky (h&S etc) for the police so they don't usually do it?


Without going into specifics, it depends on the circumstances.

Drivers make the choice to start the pursuit, their operator relays the information available to The Yard who then decide whether to authorise it or terminate it.

Weather/traffic/offences/manner of driving/level of police driver/lots of other stuff all come into play.

In the hypothetical and stereotypical 'no tax disc' job, if the biker went down the wrong way on the M25 at rush hour in snow with no helmet = termination.

If he'd murdered 3 kittens and a couple of schoolgirls = different story.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I remember seeing on what of those 'Police camera action crash lecture' type shows the police chasing some guy on a bike going silly speeds and running lights all over the place. Turned out he was a bike instructor on the verge of losing his licence.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Cheeseybeaner wrote:

I thought chasing bikes was usually deemed too risky (h&S etc) for the police so they don't usually do it?


Without going into specifics, it depends on the circumstances.

Drivers make the choice to start the pursuit, their operator relays the information available to The Yard who then decide whether to authorise it or terminate it.

Weather/traffic/offences/manner of driving/level of police driver/lots of other stuff all come into play.

In the hypothetical and stereotypical 'no tax disc' job, if the biker went down the wrong way on the M25 at rush hour in snow with no helmet = termination.

If he'd murdered 3 kittens and a couple of schoolgirls = different story.


They could have done with a decent traffic police rider, would they ever engage a nearby bike cop to chase another bike? I suppose the ideal thing is just to alert all units nearby where he's headed and have them block the guy off as possible.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was one police force a couple of years back that would terminate a pursuit if the rider didn't have a helmet on. Can't find any facts to back this up rather annoyingly.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Saw a couple of yoofs the other day wheelying up and down a local relatively rough estate - no plates on the small trailbike, and one with a helmet, the other a full balaclava.

This way, that way... along comes a police car, they do it past the police car... then turn round and go back past the popo on the back wheel again.

Police? Complete inaction. Just ended up driving off.

All a bit ridiculous really and I can only assume that the reason they didn't do anything was because yoof #2 had no lid on.

I feel like complaining to the police to be honest. I don't like to see them hamstrung like that. If little twats like that choose to break the law, they should get chased and nabbed. If they fall off - on their own head be it.

Hopefully.

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:
There was one police force a couple of years back that would terminate a pursuit if the rider didn't have a helmet on. Can't find any facts to back this up rather annoyingly.


Cambridgeshire. They are not allowed to chase a motorcyclist who doesnt have a helmet on. Lad in the next village is notorious for avoiding police chases by taking his lid off when in a pursuit and they abandon the chase almost immediately.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
CarlosCBR wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
There was one police force a couple of years back that would terminate a pursuit if the rider didn't have a helmet on. Can't find any facts to back this up rather annoyingly.


Cambridgeshire. They are not allowed to chase a motorcyclist who doesnt have a helmet on. Lad in the next village is notorious for avoiding police chases by taking his lid off when in a pursuit and they abandon the chase almost immediately.


Manchester too, there was a robbery at a bike shop, police wouldn't give chase cos they had no lid on.
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Got to wonder what the outcome of a bike chase would be? Police chase motorbike, guy takes a lot of rash decisions and ends up crashing/killing himself so not brought to justice?
Aerial pursuit seems best option though obviously the police don't have the resources to do that most of the time.
I mean logically most police chases end up with the car getting stuck somewhere/crashing and the occupants fleeing on foot then getting caught, not sure that would happen on a bike more like guy rides into a wall or a car then splat!
Must be a few practical issues behind it which is why I was pretty amused to see this Mondeo chasing a 1200GS going hell for leather down residential streets. I suppose the best they could have done is have a few patrol cars block off his path.
I believe in America they have no qualms about chasing bikes and will even ram the rider off the bike if needs be!
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PostPosted: 04:28 - 26 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheeseybeaner wrote:

They could have done with a decent traffic police rider, would they ever engage a nearby bike cop to chase another bike? I suppose the ideal thing is just to alert all units nearby where he's headed and have them block the guy off as possible.


Any blue-light trained police driver can pursue, including traffic bods on solo M/Cs, but the procedure is basically keeping tabs on the bandit vehicle until an area car or traffic car (or dog van, trojan car, etc etc) can take over. Bikes can and do pursue vehicles, but will pull over and let the Area Car take over once the big beemers with advanced drivers vector in on the chase.

Obviously having the helo up in the sky is a massive help, takes a lot of the stress off the ground units - especially the operators like me who otherwise have to call out all the "it's a LEFT LEFT into HIGH STREET, SPEED six zero, traffic very light, road dry level good" and all that perlava. The helo observer isn't being thrown around the cabin of a cramped beemer 3 series touring while trying to read a map display, operate the radio and monitor the local channels too!

Ref. helmets

Most forces control rooms will ask for initial details of the bandit vehicle at the start of the pursuit - it's usually an immediate termination if the rider has no helmet, because the police are too scared of negative headlines when the idiot kills himself.
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PostPosted: 04:38 - 26 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Obviously having the helo up in the sky is a massive help, takes a lot of the stress off the ground units - especially the operators like me who otherwise have to call out all the "it's a LEFT LEFT into HIGH STREET, SPEED six zero, traffic very light, road dry level good" and all that perlava. The helo observer isn't being thrown around the cabin of a cramped beemer 3 series touring while trying to read a map display, operate the radio and monitor the local channels too!


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The key to getting away isn't by going fast. Those guys almost always get caught.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 26 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
c-m wrote:
The key to getting away isn't by going fast. Those guys almost always get caught.


It just is!

I reckon the longer the pursuit goes on the slimmer your chances or getting away become.

Mister James wrote:

Ref. helmets

Most forces control rooms will ask for initial details of the bandit vehicle at the start of the pursuit - it's usually an immediate termination if the rider has no helmet, because the police are too scared of negative headlines when the idiot kills himself.


So if you were to wheelie past a police station naked, drunk, with no helmet on yelling "All coppers are wankers" they wouldn't chase you? (Although you can't be prosecuted for the last bit anymore. Razz )
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PostPosted: 04:50 - 28 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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(Although you can't be prosecuted for the last bit anymore. Razz )


That story was so mis-reported it's unreal - not to mention the few smidgeons of truth in it happened years ago!

Police Constables are expected by the courts (or rather, by the CPS who won't put the case before the courts) to show a little more backbone than the average Guardian reader when confronted with a bit of bad language or silly behaviour - ie. S5 POA.

So random swearing around us is technically an offence, but not one that we can charge for because the Couldn't Prosecute Satan posse won't run with it.

Intentionally causing harrassment/alarm/distress is S4a POA - which CPS will run with, and which would cover screaming "All coppers are wankers" at coppers. I think you'd struggle to sell that to the courts as a public information broadcast to the Fuzz!

The presence of any non-coppers LIKELY to be harassed/alarmed/distressed makes you liable for a nicking.

In short, be careful what you read in the Daily Mail! The silly little cards they got weren't telling coppers not to nick or use handcuffs - they were highlighting the need to write proper notes to explain your actions.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 28 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:

That story was so mis-reported it's unreal - not to mention the few smidgeons of truth in it happened years ago!

Police Constables are expected by the courts (or rather, by the CPS who won't put the case before the courts) to show a little more backbone than the average Guardian reader when confronted with a bit of bad language or silly behaviour - ie. S5 POA.

So random swearing around us is technically an offence, but not one that we can charge for because the Couldn't Prosecute Satan posse won't run with it.

Intentionally causing harrassment/alarm/distress is S4a POA - which CPS will run with, and which would cover screaming "All coppers are wankers" at coppers. I think you'd struggle to sell that to the courts as a public information broadcast to the Fuzz!

The presence of any non-coppers LIKELY to be harassed/alarmed/distressed makes you liable for a nicking.

In short, be careful what you read in the Daily Mail! The silly little cards they got weren't telling coppers not to nick or use handcuffs - they were highlighting the need to write proper notes to explain your actions.


I was only joking (I can't wheelie Sad ) . Wink
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