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MinhDinh
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Parish man, protesting motorcycle helmet laws, dies from hea Reply with quote

Town of Onondaga, NY – A Parish man who was participating in a motorcycle helmet protest ride was killed this afternoon when he went over the handlebars of his motorcycle and injured his head on the pavement, state police said.

Philip A. Contos, 55, of 45 East St., Parish, was not wearing a helmet while driving a 1983 Harley Davidson motorcycle south on Route 11 in Onondaga with a large group of other motorcyclists, troopers said.

About 1:30 p.m., troopers said, Contos hit his brakes, the motorcycle fishtailed and went out of control and Contos went over the handlebars.

Contos was taken to Upstate University Hospital where he was pronounced dead, troopers said.

Evidence at the scene and information from the attending physician indicate Contos would have survived if he had been wearing a Department of Transportation approved helmet, troopers said.

The protest in which Contos was riding was organized by American Bikers Aimed Towards Education, Trooper Jack Keller said.





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PostPosted: 17:55 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A candidate for the Darwin award methinks.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
A candidate for the Darwin award methinks.


Possibly, depending on your point of view. However I prefer to believe in personal choice.

Lets take this to it's logical conclusion-

Riding a bike is dangerous therefore anyone who dies on a bike is a candidate for the Darwin awards as there are safer forms of transport around.

As its dangerous - ban bikes.

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PostPosted: 19:59 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally prefer helmets.

Riding without one feels way too fast after 30 for me, and my hair gets messed up. Loriel and all that.

Also my helmet saved me from a crack on my head after my first crash.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! Fucking idiot Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:22 - 03 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes also keeps bugs out me teeth, wonder how many people changed thier minds about wearing helmets on the protest after he was killed.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

daveg wrote:
yes also keeps bugs out me teeth, wonder how many people changed thier minds about wearing helmets on the protest after he was killed.


None

They all still ride harleys after having ridden one before, if that won't make a mind change nothing will
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

another HD idiot who wanted to pretend he was a bad-ass outlaw Confused .. i worked over in Texas so i know what the retards are like....fuckin tools
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
A candidate for the Darwin award methinks.

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:
A candidate for the Darwin award methinks.


Possibly, depending on your point of view. However I prefer to believe in personal choice.


Ditto...
I do NOT agree with the compulsary Lid Laws, nor compulsary seat belts, and I have a huge problem with construction & use regulations demanding 'safety devices'...

Its all tersiary protection, third layer.... after the event, accident HAS happened, it gonna hurt... but your OK, wont hurt AS MUCH because you have a seal belt/air bag/ side Impact Bar/ Crash Helmet!

Today I have a rather BAD headache.... my kids wanted to go ice skating on Saturday....... and insisted went out on the ice..... and yes, I fell over and smacked my bludy BONCE....

It fucking hurt, it still fucking hurts.... and I REALLY need more ibruprophen!

I have NOT fallen off a motorcycle, on the public road, in twenty years.... Tootling around town, popping to the shops, I REALLY do not see why I NEED to wear a crash helmet.. let alone a fucking LAW to tell me I HAVE to.....

I am ACTUALLY more likely to fall over and bash my bonce..... chasing after my kids!

Yes, I KNOW, that I would be 'Safer' if I have an accident, if I have a hat on.... trick is NOT TO FUCKING CRASH!

And the reality is, for the 'risk' of me having a crash, why do I need a law to tell me to put a crash hemet on, on my motorbike, when there ISN'T a bludy law that tells me I have to put one on when my kids drag me ice skating, or down the local BMX track, or want to go mountain biking through the local woods, or chucking a frisby about on the park!

Gt me a corker with a firsby.. last time I had a head ache like this!
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Dizzy, black out, stagger backwards, trip over child, BANG hit head on climbing frame!

Fuck compulsary crashats on bikes!

Compulsary crashhelmets AND cricket boxes for any one around KIDS!

Better still, BAN KIDS!
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure is safety nazi in this thread.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear a hat but have rode without overseas and enjoy the freedom it offers. Crashed with no hat and leathers last year testing a new cam shaft and was lucky I was not killed.
Pre 1965 trials run under AMA regs do not require a helmet to be worn and a lot of riders do not do so. I am rubbish at trials but have tried it sans hat. I put one on after the third section.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


I have NOT fallen off a motorcycle, on the public road, in twenty years....


You need to try harder.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Ditto...
I do NOT agree with the compulsary Lid Laws, nor compulsary seat belts, and I have a huge problem with construction & use regulations demanding 'safety devices'...


You're not the only one.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if in 20 or so years time, there will be threads full of bikers calling other bikers idiots for not wearing hi-viz vests and trousers....
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Knight wrote:
LOL! Fucking idiot Laughing


couldnt have said it better myself.

Even in the USA where a good proportion of the states dont require you to wear helmets, common sense tells you that you should.

even an off at 30 can turn you in to a vegetable worse.

Anybody that rides without a helmet wherever they are, whatever the laws of the country deserves all they get when the shit hits the fan.

There really is no excuse for stupidity.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
I wonder if in 20 or so years time, there will be threads full of bikers calling other bikers idiots for not wearing hi-viz vests and trousers....


Christ mate, there'll be one within the month judging on the "not wearing kit" thread. I got called a cunt for riding in a tshirt Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
I have NOT fallen off a motorcycle, on the public road, in twenty years....
You need to try harder.


Nope; roads aren't the place to be trying THAT hard; if you want to push the envelope, you do it on a closed course.

I've fallen off rather a LOT on closed courses.....

I'm not very good at Trials either.... despite having been doing it long enough that when I started, I didn't have to wear a hat!
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
thx1138 wrote:
I wonder if in 20 or so years time, there will be threads full of bikers calling other bikers idiots for not wearing hi-viz vests and trousers....


Christ mate, there'll be one within the month judging on the "not wearing kit" thread. I got called a cunt for riding in a tshirt Laughing


If I'm going around town at 20-30mph on a hot day I just wear my helmet, gloves and a t shirt. I wouldn't ride without gloves though
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 05 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
Even in the USA where a good proportion of the states dont require you to wear helmets, common sense tells you that you should.

Does it?
Twenty years road riding, putting on a hat that has never had to earn its cost, suggests to ME that I dont REALLY need it that much...
kernow24 wrote:
even an off at 30 can turn you in to a vegetable worse.

And here in lies your 'stupidity'
You are confusing 'risk' the actual PROBABILITY of having an accident, with the SEVERITY of harm that might occur IN that accident... and THEN presuming that a crash helmet makes you 'Safer'.... it's 'common sense' innit?
kernow24 wrote:
Anybody that rides without a helmet wherever they are, whatever the laws of the country deserves all they get when the shit hits the fan.
There really is no excuse for stupidity.

Stupidity is the possession of reason, and the failure to apply it.....
IGNORANCE is the lack of knowledge, upon which to base reason, and is independent of the capability to base 'reason'.
You are, err.. showing both ignorance AND 'stupidity' in your comments here.

I have, in twenty five years, had three accidents; one, not my fault, a car decided to pull out of a queue of stationary traffic and side swipe me. I did a superman act over his bonnet, hit the road teh other side, and slid for a few yards into a kerb, before an inconvinently placed litter bin halted my progress..... and I was ran over by my own motorcycle, which had taken a slightly longer and more tortiouse 'cooks tour' route to the same desitnation, rather than the shorter, 'as the crow flies' trajectory I took!

I did bang my head on the way to the bin, and the helmet probably did save my head hurting as much.... but I doubt that it saved my life.

Its the ONLY accident I have had where a helmet has actually been of any benefit.

Other two, one I was dazzled, at night, by a car full of football fans, coming down the middle of the road towards me, and swerved to the left to avoid them, only to discover, lingering in the shaddows, a 'new' road intruder, part of traffic calming measured being constructed on the housing estate between my mates house and the chippy... which they hadn't got round to putting an iluminated or reflective bolard on yet.... I hit curb, rode int o hole and bounced on my arse..... head never touched anything..... last, was a damped road under trees, fifty miles from where I had started my journey in gloriouse sunshine, having not seen rain all day, but where there had been a summer shower, briefly, lifting road slime, but drying on the exposed sections of road I rode untl I went into this dark tunnel of trees.... and slid off... bouncing accross the road on my arse, again.... head still never touching terra firma or other hard object.

Three accidents, only one completely not my fault, other two, at worse 50/50, only ONE did a helmet have any benefit.......

So EVEN if you crash, there is nothing to say a HAT will help.

And even where they might, Helmets have a pretty narrow window of 'advantage' in truth.

In a high energy impact, helmet or no, you are probably fucked.
In a medium impact accident, a helmet CAN reduce the degree of injury.
In a low impact accident, a helmet may make no difference at all, and in some freak scenarios, make matters WORSE... either from INCREASING impact energy from the helmets added mass, or stiffness, or shifting injury from the head to other areas, usually the kneck, through 'wip' effects, again, agrevated by the added mass of the hat.

These sort of 'facts' are ones I doubt you have ever considered to even question; "COMMON SENSE" (a so wonderfully RARE commodity!) says that wearing a hat makes you 'Safer' so why would you EVEN stop to question the mass misaprehension?

If enough people SAY its true, then like when they said the world was flat, it MUST be, mustn't it? And anyone that says different should be burned at the stake!

So, sorry, but I do NOT think that it is very 'STOOPID' for me to decide, on occassion, that maybe I dont REALLY need to wear a crash helmet when I jump on a motorbike.....

ACTUALLY its very CLEVER of me.... THINKING FOR MYSELF, over coming ignorance, getting information, and aplying REASON to that information and coming to a conclusion....... which you applying mere "Common Misconception" and allowing your emmotive fears of harm, over ride the process of logic entirely......

YES, riding a motorbike is dangerouse.

YES having a bad accident, without a crash hat could give me very seriouse injuries.....

Could get those with or without a hat, regardless, but YES, in some a crash hat might help.....

BUT, I should NOT need a LAW to tell me that, and take away my riight to make OWN choices over what I deem 'Safe' and what I am most comfortable with......

ESPECIALLY when the law is so inconsistantly applies, and I can far more easily injur myself just as severely, doing any manner of every day activity, where NO legal regulation applies to 'protect me from myself' or make it ACCEPTABLE to merely follow the hurt, spout repeative half truths, and call it COMMON FUCKING SENSE!

Think for yourself MAN!

If you want to wear a helmet, fine, but do NOT do it JUST because 'every one says so'....

But, PLEASE do NOT call ME, 'Stupid' for, rationally coming to an informed decision, using my intelligence, where you have applied neither!
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PostPosted: 04:26 - 05 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, just finished reading Teflon's reply!

I personally will always wear a helmet for several reasons (in no particular order);

a) It is the law. I am not a law breaker in general. Especially one so obvious to any copper that sees you.

b) It gives me a sense of security. Riding at any speed above 30mph, I feel more confident than I would do without a lid because I get the feeling the if I came off and hit my head I might not die or suffer brain injury. Whether this would turn out to be true is something I hope I never find out, but it makes me feel better while riding.

c) I really do not like strong wind in my face, for some reason I struggle to breath. Full face helmet solves this.

d) I have been hit by a bee on exposed skin at speed, it bloody hurt. I have had a smallish stone fly up and crack my visor. If either of these situations happened with me not wearing a lid they would either hurt a whole lot or cause damage/loss of an eye/who knows.

I don't really understand the motivations of those who don't want to wear a lid, I think partially because I'm of an age where bikers have always had to.

p.s. The guy dying from head injury on a protest against something that is there to give a higher level of protection against head injury is priceless.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 05 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that wearing a helmet or not should be a personal choice. Having said that, I would always choose to wear one. I actually chose to wear a helmet long before they became compulsory in 1973.
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