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ShizSammich
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Big Bike Super Anxiety?! Reply with quote

I passed my test yesterday (Yayz, go yew! ^_^ Clevah!) and went for a ride to Kingsbridge with a couple of dudes. I took corners too wide and slow, I feel like the back keeps stepping out just because the suspension is so different from my 125 and I'm not keen on speeding... yet.

That's all very well and good. It's like going back to the start, to be honest. I was so confident on my 125 after four months. As confident as I think I could ever get. Knee dragging, no hands. I was super cool, that's for sure.

Now I'm a wibbly little monster but I'm aware that the risks are a lot higher than on the 125. I can't mess up.

Now that I've got you, who'd like to hear a good story about a bridge?

Point is, last night I kept having the same dream over and over again. Lots of big bikes, R6s, Ninjas... you know, just good sports bikes (actually, now I think about it, the same ones I rode with yesterday) and they were coming towards me and every one meant more danger. I was so small and my bike so tiny. I felt like a kid on a tricycle on a Moto GP racetrack with them all getting up my arse and freaking me out.

The idea of actually going out and riding isn't that shit scary. I'm worried about dropping it, corners, general traffic. Same kinda feeling as when you're first out on the road on your own after the CBT. But the anxiety is horrible. Kept waking up feeling sick and having to calm myself down.

Just thought I'd share. Matt says it's normal but I don't remember being this anxious on the 125. Wondered if anyone else felt like it was going right back to the start (if you started with a general feel for it and good clutch control...)

Oh yeah, saving grace is that I don't stall. What a weight off my mind, eh.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Big Bike Super Anxiety?! Reply with quote

ShizSammich wrote:
I passed my test yesterday (Yayz, go yew! ^_^ Clevah!) and went for a ride to Kingsbridge with a couple of dudes. I took corners too wide and slow, I feel like the back keeps stepping out just because the suspension is so different from my 125 and I'm not keen on speeding... yet.

That's all very well and good. It's like going back to the start, to be honest. I was so confident on my 125 after four months. As confident as I think I could ever get. Knee dragging, no hands. I was super cool, that's for sure.

Now I'm a wibbly little monster but I'm aware that the risks are a lot higher than on the 125. I can't mess up.

Now that I've got you, who'd like to hear a good story about a bridge?

Point is, last night I kept having the same dream over and over again. Lots of big bikes, R6s, Ninjas... you know, just good sports bikes (actually, now I think about it, the same ones I rode with yesterday) and they were coming towards me and every one meant more danger. I was so small and my bike so tiny. I felt like a kid on a tricycle on a Moto GP racetrack with them all getting up my arse and freaking me out.

The idea of actually going out and riding isn't that shit scary. I'm worried about dropping it, corners, general traffic. Same kinda feeling as when you're first out on the road on your own after the CBT. But the anxiety is horrible. Kept waking up feeling sick and having to calm myself down.

Just thought I'd share. Matt says it's normal but I don't remember being this anxious on the 125. Wondered if anyone else felt like it was going right back to the start (if you started with a general feel for it and good clutch control...)

Oh yeah, saving grace is that I don't stall. What a weight off my mind, eh.



First off, photo whore your new bike!!!


Secondly, it is pretty normal to take a while to adjust to a new bike. If I do even minor changes to my bike (owned it for 2 years now) it takes a while to adjust to it.

125s are like mountain bikes with engines, they are very forgiving to clutch/gear/handling errors but I think you will be surprised how forgiving larger bikes can be, they are heavier but that makes them more stable in bends, they have big fat tyres designed for grip and better suspension designed to keep them planted to the road in bends. The back stepping out is more likely the profile of the tyres, the rear can feel like it is stepping out just because it takes a different line to the front tyre - this is normal but exaggerated by mismatched/unevenly worn front/rear tyres. Squared rear tyres will feel bad too, if yours is squared then it might be to blame.

Take it easy on it for a while, leave the riding with others alone until you are comfortable. There is nothing worse than being nervous AND having an audience/peer pressure etc etc etc. Go out alone on slow roads you are familiar with, once your slow speed control stuff is good you can build on the other aspects gradually.

Get down tesco/asda etc on the evening and have a play in the car park, do a few of the bits you did for your mod 1 but on your own bike. Do that every now and then over the next few weeks, throw in a couple of emergency stops, hill starts etc and you will be used to it in no time.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Big Bike Super Anxiety?! Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Get down tesco/asda etc on the evening and have a play in the car park, do a few of the bits you did for your mod 1 but on your own bike. Do that every now and then over the next few weeks, throw in a couple of emergency stops, hill starts etc and you will be used to it in no time.


Donny, I agree with all the points made in your post. I just wanted to mention that most supermarket car parks have a very different type of tarmac to the roads and are often greasy.
Factory car park or similar would be more ideal. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might also be worth asking your training school for a bit of advanced training.I did and it helped my confidence a lot more Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Matt's booking a track day in a month which is going to mean death for me. I might go and just take it slowly so I can see what the bike can handle.

I have to say, just been out again and now I think about the back and front tyre taking different lines when it feels like it's stepping out and I'm feeling a lot more confident! Nothing more worrying than a slippy back feeling, it's good to know what it might be!

Apart from a full blown tank slapper. That's probably more worrying...
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice bikes are like new shoes, feel funny at first but as your use them they become second nature. It'll come with time.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

if im honest.. i absolutely hated my 1st ride of my 600 when i passed.

passed my test, got home, insured the bike and spent all of 5 minutes out on it then came home.

front felt heavy, i was holding on too tight, everytime i throttled i felt like i was going to come off the back, couldnt turn it, was nasty.

next day i went out on it and loved it. within 2 weeks i was hooning around with a couple of friends having the time of my life.

you'll be nervous and unsure first time out on your own, just give it time an you'll start relaxing and then it'll feel a whole lot better.

good thing is this feeling is less when you change bikes again. the blade after hte 600 still made me feel like i was going to come off the back as i wasnt used to the power but i felt comfortable and relaxed on it virtually straight away and just got used to the power delivery after that.

in short, ride it, you'll feel better Smile
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

it takes a while to get used to a new bike.

I would suggest you take some time out on your own and go for a few rides to get used to how your bike feels, take it steady and aim to get your riding smooth.

Riding out with other people is fine but it can put unecessary presure on you to ride faster then your comfortable with.

also have look at this thread download the books and twist of the wrist dvd, they really explain a lot that is not covered in any of the cbt/test stuff

Also have a look at road craft the police riders hand book again its covers road riding way above anything in the test.

above all relax on the bike the more tense you are the worse the bike will feel
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Big Bike Super Anxiety?! Reply with quote

killa wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
Get down tesco/asda etc on the evening and have a play in the car park, do a few of the bits you did for your mod 1 but on your own bike. Do that every now and then over the next few weeks, throw in a couple of emergency stops, hill starts etc and you will be used to it in no time.


Donny, I agree with all the points made in your post. I just wanted to mention that most supermarket car parks have a very different type of tarmac to the roads and are often greasy.
Factory car park or similar would be more ideal. Thumbs Up


Good point that mate, as a lad I used to go down the local tescos at night in the car to wheelspins and skids in the rain. Also nearly ran over a pedestrian after locking the wheels lightly braking from about 10mph in the damp. Not to mention the numerous painted lines when wet aren't good.

So yeah, factory car park on a sunday morning might be a better bet Thumbs Up .


Personally think a track day this early on is a bad idea, far too likely to end up beyond your comfort/talent barrier. Too much pressure iMO.

Out of interest OP, what bike is it? Are you familiar with countersteering?
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a go on a mate's Bandit 650 while I was still riding my 125, and hated it. It felt like a bloody tank[1], I thought I was going to bin it every time it slowed below 10mph[2], the gearshift was ponderous, the clutch was awkward, the position felt precarious, and so on.

But thinking back, I felt exactly the same the first time I got on the CG125 during my CBT. My eyes reported "it's just a bicycle with a little engine", then I felt the weight of the bloody thing and was all like ZOMFG LULWOT?????!!!!11!!!?

Now? Heheh, my 125 feels like a toy. I move it around one handed, just lift up the back end and put it down where it's needed.

So I think it's all about experience and expectations. Next time I get on a Big Boy Bike, I know it's going to feel bigger and heavier than I need, but I'm also sure that it'll soon feel natural, given a little time., and I'm sure you'll get there too.

Also, Cool Story Bro/Sis.

[1] K8 650SA = 250kg wet!

[2] I eventually did drop it at 0mph. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Big Bike Super Anxiety?! Reply with quote

killa wrote:
Out of interest OP, what bike is it? Are you familiar with countersteering?


It's a CBR400, which is mean to handle pretty well, apparently. Sure, I love counter steering. I've tried a bit of everything on it to see how it feels, to be honest. (Leaning too far, not leaning at all, not thinking about it...) When I say slow, etc, I mean slow by the standards I expect of myself. I can just about keep up on winding roads at about 60 or 70 on this new bike but I know I'm expected to not drop below about 90 to keep up! It's the slow corners that get me, over thinking all the feelings at the back end.

I'm sure I'll get used to it, and I won't do a track day unless I feel absolutely ready and even then I'll take it gently. I don't let anyone push me beyond my limit; I've got no one to impress!

Awesome links, too, and thanks for all the help!!

You guys are right, before today I'd sat on it for about five minutes, edged it forward in first gear, hopped off and went, "Welp, that's enough for me!" It's great fun, but feels like a lot of responsibility!
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I agree, the first big bike is weird. I took my SV650 out for the first time and it felt incredibly weird. Almost felt like I couldn't steer, and taking corners way too wide. You learn to relax into it though. I took some time by myself and found a nice stretch of road to re-practice counter steering and leaning. Eventually you build the confidence in your bike and it starts to flow a bit better. Just dont go out in a group for a while. May end up having an off which won't be fun.

Safe riding!
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a CBR400 its quite likely that the rear shock is knackered, unless its been replaced at some point.

Apart from that, man the fuck up.
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