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PostPosted: 20:46 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Searching for a new bike for next season Reply with quote

Hello out there.

My Kawasaki GPZ500 S was totalled earlier this month. A plumber backed into it while it was parked, and I am awaiting a call from the appraiser tomorrow. Expecting to get £1700.- for it (we have 150% vehicle tax in Denmark) and I want to spend some extra cash on my next bike; my license will automatically be upgraded from A2 to A over the winter.

It should be bigger and more comfortable than the GPZ, I am 182 cm tall and I felt a bit crammed on it (and my first bike, a Honda NTV 650), I cover a lot of distance on the highway but also ordinary commuting within the city.

I can get a decent mid 2000's Suzuki GSX 750F for my budget of £3900.-
Also looking at a mid 1990's Honda VFR 750 for roughly the same price. I have access to a workshop and have done a lot of maintenance work on my previous bikes so I am not afraid to do a bit of work to save money. Alternately, I can get a loan of £900.- if there's better value for money in a higher price bracket.

Do you have some suggestions for a nice "big" commuting bike with touring qualities? Shaft drive could be nice to have but not essential Cool

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PostPosted: 21:45 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your exact budget..

You mention a loan but mention £3900...

You can get very capable bikes for very little money these days.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My FZ1-N is for sale for considerably less than that if you're interested!


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=307905
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What is your exact budget..

You mention a loan but mention £3900...

You can get very capable bikes for very little money these days.


My budget is £3900.- but can stretch further if it becomes necessary.

Yep, the market is also flooded here, but Fazer 1000's start at over £6k Embarassed

Suntan Sid wrote:
My FZ1-N is for sale for considerably less than that if you're interested!


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=307905


I'd love to, but I am really looking for a bike with fairing for those highway trips. My body took a beating while speeding on the NTV Mr. Green

There's also the issue of getting it transported to Denmark and registered/taxed/MOT'd Mad
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The obvious ones with shaft drive are a Divvy 900 or a Deauville. Well within your budget for good one going on UK prices.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
Copyhat wrote:
Yep, the market is also flooded here, but Fazer 1000's start at over £6k

You aren't looking hard enough.

You can get a decent FZS 1000 for 2.5K or if you prefer an FZ1S for under 4K.


In Denmark?
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
The obvious ones with shaft drive are a Divvy 900 or a Deauville. Well within your budget for good one going on UK prices.


It is possible to find some Divvy 900's in my price bracket, but all of them have at least 90k km on the clock.

MrGs1 wrote:
Copyhat wrote:
Yep, the market is also flooded here, but Fazer 1000's start at over £6k

You aren't looking hard enough.

You can get a decent FZS 1000 for 2.5K or if you prefer an FZ1S for under 4K.


Vehicle registration tax is insanely high here, I have checked with the Danish DMV for VRT for a 2003 FZS 1000 - which is £4.5k, 150-180% of the bike's selling price.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 26 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If prices are that high, it's worth buying something in poor condition and fixing it. Find something from the late 80s or 90s and drop a grand into fixing everything that needs doing.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 26 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Robby. Don't keep getting stung with high registration tax's, and buy a good bike of the size/type you want, that needs some work, or has had a light spill that is a cosmetic restoration project.

It's not worth changing bikes very often where you are by the sounds of it, so buy one you can make nice, fix and run really well with some work and money spent on it.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 26 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyhat wrote:
Yep, the market is also flooded here, but Fazer 1000's start at over £6k


MrGs1 wrote:

You aren't looking hard enough.

You can get a decent FZS 1000 for 2.5K or if you prefer an FZ1S for under 4K.


Polarbear wrote:

In Denmark?


In Europe. You can get decent Fazer FZS 1000 in Netherlands or Germany even for less than the UK. For 3000 Euros = £2100 = 22 000 Danish krones.

https://www.autoscout24.com/results?cid=0&atype=B&makemodelmodelline=50107&mmvco=1&make=50107&mmvmk0=50107&model=56415&mmvmd0=56415&makemodelmodelline=56415&version=&pricefrom=&priceto=&fregfrom=&fregto=&kmfrom=&kmto=&fuel=&gear=&PowerType=kW&powerfrom=&powerto=&powerFromRaw=&powerToRaw=&zipc=A&cy=B&cy=F&cy=D&cy=NL&bcol=&prevownersid=&offer=&ustate=N%2CU&emclass=&custtype=&adage=
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Copyhat wrote:
Yep, the market is also flooded here, but Fazer 1000's start at over £6k


MrGs1 wrote:

You aren't looking hard enough.

You can get a decent FZS 1000 for 2.5K or if you prefer an FZ1S for under 4K.


Polarbear wrote:

In Denmark?


In Europe. You can get decent Fazer FZS 1000 in Netherlands or Germany even for less than the UK. For 3000 Euros = £2100 = 22 000 Danish krones.

https://www.autoscout24.com/results?cid=0&atype=B&makemodelmodelline=50107&mmvco=1&make=50107&mmvmk0=50107&model=56415&mmvmd0=56415&makemodelmodelline=56415&version=&pricefrom=&priceto=&fregfrom=&fregto=&kmfrom=&kmto=&fuel=&gear=&PowerType=kW&powerfrom=&powerto=&powerFromRaw=&powerToRaw=&zipc=A&cy=B&cy=F&cy=D&cy=NL&bcol=&prevownersid=&offer=&ustate=N%2CU&emclass=&custtype=&adage=


You are still not accounting for vehicle registration tax Shocked

Well; I stubled upon the Suzuki RF series from the 90's by incident and found out that a local dealer did have both the 600 and 900 variant which have done similar milages, the bigger being 25% more expensive. I am really interested in the 600 as I think that 134 hp really is too much for a 22-year-old. Maybe next year haha.

The design is IMO not half bad and both sport aftermarket stainless exhaust systems made by Micron and Ixil, exhaust note is typical revvy IL4 and a bit fruity notes on the overrun. I have read that a component in the gear selector can go bad, but I have a year of full warranty if I buy one of the two. MOT, reg plate and service included in the deal Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyhat wrote:


Well; I stubled upon the Suzuki RF series from the 90's by incident and found out that a local dealer did have both the 600 and 900 variant which have done similar milages, the bigger being 25% more expensive. I am really interested in the 600 as I think that 134 hp really is too much for a 22-year-old. Maybe next year haha.

The design is IMO not half bad and both sport aftermarket stainless exhaust systems made by Micron and Ixil, exhaust note is typical revvy IL4 and a bit fruity notes on the overrun. I have read that a component in the gear selector can go bad, but I have a year of full warranty if I buy one of the two. MOT, reg plate and service included in the deal Thumbs Up


The RF never really caught on over here. Not because they were bad bikes but I think because they were up against the much more popular ZZR range.

Personally I would choose the 900 over the 600 any day but I have no idea what the difference would be tax/insurance wise in Denmark.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was also part of the RF's sales fail the looks being quite different, though not offensive?

But more so in the 600cc class it was Suzuki's cutting edge sportsbike (Well all they had in the early 90's).
And the 900cc was up against the Blade/ZX9R etc and never quite made the grade.

Years later it's become a pretty much cult bike for a small number of people, and it's very comparable in abilities to the YZF1000's and ZZR11's of this world, especially for cheap comfortable speed.

I'm one of the weirdo's that would really prefer the original teapot GSXF range, especially in red/white /blue sporty colours, as a sort of slightly more crap and less well built CBR rival.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Copyhat wrote:


Well; I stubled upon the Suzuki RF series from the 90's by incident and found out that a local dealer did have both the 600 and 900 variant which have done similar milages, the bigger being 25% more expensive. I am really interested in the 600 as I think that 134 hp really is too much for a 22-year-old. Maybe next year haha.

The design is IMO not half bad and both sport aftermarket stainless exhaust systems made by Micron and Ixil, exhaust note is typical revvy IL4 and a bit fruity notes on the overrun. I have read that a component in the gear selector can go bad, but I have a year of full warranty if I buy one of the two. MOT, reg plate and service included in the deal Thumbs Up


The RF never really caught on over here. Not because they were bad bikes but I think because they were up against the much more popular ZZR range.

Personally I would choose the 900 over the 600 any day but I have no idea what the difference would be tax/insurance wise in Denmark.


Yes, I have also read that it was released too late as the VFR had already been the sport touring standard, and the then-new generation ZZR line had been on sale for the public.

The weight difference is pretty small as they both seem to use the same engine block, and the brakes are upgraded on the 900. Bigger discs and 4-piston calipers in the front and 2-piston calipers in the rear instead of 2 piston front and single piston rear.

Insurance isn't much more expensive for me, road tax is the same.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyhat wrote:

Yes, I have also read that it was released too late as the VFR had already been the sport touring standard, and the then-new generation ZZR line had been on sale for the public.

The weight difference is pretty small as they both seem to use the same engine block, and the brakes are upgraded on the 900. Bigger discs and 4-piston calipers in the front and 2-piston calipers in the rear instead of 2 piston front and single piston rear.

Insurance isn't much more expensive for me, road tax is the same.


Then I would say no brainer, go for the 900.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found a beautiful '91 VFR750 at a dealer. Full service history and a fairly new Ixil slip-on, sale includes service, indoor winter storage, registration plate and MOT at £3400. The salesman told me that the original owner is getting too old to ride (is that even possible? Shocked ). That V4 rumble is much more enjoyable for me compared to the RF's inline 4.

I think I'll seal the deal sometime next week. I know the thread is worthless without pictures, to here you go:

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Hammer1993_photo/12375460_10208533861843375_1050716521_o_zpsaucj5pys.jpg

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Hammer1993_photo/12358512_10208533861803374_747900589_n_zpsrt03rd4e.jpg

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Hammer1993_photo/12334229_10208533861723372_486645162_o_zpsazrx0ihr.jpg

A pic from the advert
https://images.guloggratis.dk/91/147946991_906_1024_0_0_0_0_2.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
'Looks a clean bike...what's the mileage?
£3.5K would get you a mint low miles 800 pre-vtec here, or a VTEC if you were so inclined.

Appologies if already mentioned but what's the snag with importing?


It is totally spot-free cosmetically, has done 37500 miles.

The vehicle registration tax in Denmark pretty high, so a pre-VTEC 800 typically sells for £6-7K. Statistics tells me that the average age of a Danish motorcycle is 23 years. We have a lot of older bikes because buying new ones is darn expensive.

Importing a bike would unfortunately end up costing the same as a Danish registered one.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyhat - Denmark wrote:
Vincent wrote:
'Looks a clean bike...what's the mileage?
£3.5K would get you a mint low miles 800 pre-vtec here, or a VTEC if you were so inclined.

Appologies if already mentioned but what's the snag with importing?


It is totally spot-free cosmetically, has done 37500 miles.

The vehicle registration tax in Denmark pretty high, so a pre-VTEC 800 typically sells for £6-7K. Statistics tells me that the average age of a Danish motorcycle is 23 years. We have a lot of older bikes because buying new ones is darn expensive.

Importing a bike would unfortunately end up costing the same as a Danish registered one.


Nice bikes. The VFR is a lovely engine, I had one that I sold on to an aquaintence and it's still running fine at 70000 miles.

I found it abit of a pig to work on. Get used to removing lots to get anything including to the plugs. I fitted iridium ones so I didn't have do it so often.

I would call that horrendously over priced but from what you say that is because of your tax system. A 10 second look on ebay turned this up but if you can't import, then it means nothing.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-VFR-750-1997-Motorcycle-/221965346504?hash=item33ae2a66c8:g:uCQAAOSwp5JWaen2
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, meant to say I think that's a much better choice then the RF and looks good. That was a time Honda still had some pride in how they made their bikes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the owner of a 96 VFR750 I think you're making a great choice!

Its mighty expensive, but if that's Danish prices then there you go!
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had several of the RFs, they are quick, but really heavy. The 900s are roomy, but they both suffer from poor build quality, and the electrics can be a bit of a pain in the wet.
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