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Ingah
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Derust petrol tank - paraffin? Reply with quote

Am going to be derusting my CB500 fuel tank (steel), and am following a magazine article that tells me to use degreaser.

As far as i'm aware, i could use the paraffin i have. Is there any reason i shouldn't, as far as i'm aware it's a good degreaser?
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Degreaser isn't going to remove rust...
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Article is in issue 5 of Practical Sportsbike Magazine (26 Jan - 15 March 2011).

By the looks of it - start with degreaser and water in 50/50 mix, add fish tank gravel to it, shake tank for ages, drain, repeat, dry, then use Jenolite.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, use Marine Clean and then metal ready, then rinse with water. Then seal with POR15 if there are holes in the tank. If you can get it to work! I've never had that much luck with the POR15 itself, but the Marine Clean and Metal Ready work just fine.

The Metal Ready leaves an oxide residue on the tank so it needs rinsing with water and careful drying afterwards. Then once dry it needs to be filled with petrol so it doesn't rust again.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paraffin won't do anything to rust but it is good for getting water out of nooks and crannies as the two are miscible.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
Article is in issue 5 of Practical Sportsbike Magazine (26 Jan - 15 March 2011).

By the looks of it - start with degreaser and water in 50/50 mix, add fish tank gravel to it, shake tank for ages, drain, repeat, dry, then use Jenolite.


& they are actually telling people to do this? what a bunch of clueless fucking wankers.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phosphoric acid is by far the best chemical for quickly and easily removing rust from the inside of a fuel tank. You can buy it from most industrial cleaning suppliers, try to get 40% by volume. You can also get it on Ebay.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 23 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
Article is in issue 5 of Practical Sportsbike Magazine (26 Jan - 15 March 2011).

By the looks of it - start with degreaser and water in 50/50 mix, add fish tank gravel to it, shake tank for ages, drain, repeat, dry, then use Jenolite.


No.

If its the article I'm thinking of, you'll find that the guy doing the restoration is an industrial chemist, and he doesn't want people to know his secret rust removal formula.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 23 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kestrel wrote:
Phosphoric acid is by far the best chemical for quickly and easily removing rust from the inside of a fuel tank. You can buy it from most industrial cleaning suppliers, try to get 40% by volume. You can also get it on Ebay.

I'd be leaning towards this as if the article is complete rubbish i want to use the easiest solution - single step sounds great Very Happy

Should i use it with an abrasive (such as the pre-washed fish tank gravel?), or just pour it in, wait a few hours, then drain it out.

Also, my tank is 18L, so how much water should i put in with it? (i.e. 5L of the 40% stuff on eBay, should i be diluting it 50/50?)

Have been told that if i don't do the job well enough, the rust will come back. Equally though, i want the job done easily and quickly as possible as i'm in work every day for the next week, and the bike won't run until i clear this problem.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 23 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:

I'd be leaning towards this as if the article is complete rubbish i want to use the easiest solution - single step sounds great Very Happy

Should i use it with an abrasive (such as the pre-washed fish tank gravel?), or just pour it in, wait a few hours, then drain it out.

Also, my tank is 18L, so how much water should i put in with it? (i.e. 5L of the 40% stuff on eBay, should i be diluting it 50/50?)

Have been told that if i don't do the job well enough, the rust will come back. Equally though, i want the job done easily and quickly as possible as i'm in work every day for the next week, and the bike won't run until i clear this problem.


I can't recommend how much water to dilute the acid with, that will depend on the concentration that you buy. The process is basically thoroughly degrease the tank and rinse with clean water, add the diluted acid solution and swill round to ensure the whole of the tank is coated. Empty the acid into a bucket periodically and check the inside of the tank, if there is still rust visible then put the acid back in and continue until all rust has been removed. Finally rinse thoroughly and dry the tank.
Phosphoric acid removes rust by converting it to iron phosphate, this will appear as a hard black coating on the inside of the tank when the rust has been completely removed.
I did an old Triumph Tiger Cub tank with this stuff many years ago and it's still rust free today.
Google tank cleaning with phosphoric acid, there is lots of information on the net.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 23 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're not in a hurry, mix up some molasses, fill the tank & then walk away for 3 weeks..
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 24 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

So guys, out of these 2, which of these is likely to be a batter idea:
POR-15 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POR15-Motorcycle-Fuel-Tank-Repair-Kit-BRAND-NEW-/280693090520?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item415a9ca8d8

or

Paraffin as a degreaser followed by
40% phosphoric acid https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-40-Phosphoric-Acid-Strongest-Rust-Remover-Descaler-/230526924024?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item35ac79b4f8
(Used diluted to some extent, i suspect)

Thanks for all the help so far, it seems this there is no one "right" technique for this, but plenty of wrong ones! Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 25 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just successfully de-rusted my tank. First I used gravel/water to remove the large flakes of rust. Then I used oxalic acid to get rid of the rest. Then I propped it up against a radiator to dry.

Oxalic is similar to phosphoric in that it will eat your rust without eating your tank and it leaves behind a protective coating when it's done. You can buy a 500g packet on ebay for about £3.50 including postage. Mix it with warm water in a bucket, pour it in your tank, top up with more warm water and leave it to sit for a few hours.

I had a look at that POR15 stuff, decided it was too expensive for what it was.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 25 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many £3.50 500g bags do i need? (18L steel tank)

This stuff sounds like it's in my price range Very Happy
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