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 Posted: 22:38 - 06 Aug 2011  Post subject: EU anti tampering crap |
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| Quote: | However, it’s not just the Regulation from Europe that will be effecting us soon. The 10 very real European issues that we still need to draw attention to are:
The Anti tampering Regulation: Specifically Article 18 which wants to stop all modifications to complete power train, from airbox to controlling the rear tyre profile.
Compulsory ABS. If we can’t stop this, we must get a switch so that we have an option in difficult conditions where ABS doesn’t function well.
Automatic headlights on- passing the blame for poor observation on to us.
OBD. On Board Diagnostics so that easy roadside checks can be made of our emissions and so that constant readouts of engine performance can be obtained. Expensive, complicated and with the threat, rather like a tacho, of identifying past riding style…
RMI. Repair and Maintenance Information. Rather than keeping it hidden and available for huge expense, there is a chance that manufacturers will be forced to provide ECU codes etc for a fee. What that fee is remains to be seen.
The very worrying article 52: “If systems, components or seperate technical units on a list in a delegated act to this regulation, have a dual use, for vehicles intended exclusively for racing on roads and for vehicles intended for use on public roads, they may not be sold or offered for sale to consumers” So if your K&N filter can fit a CBR race bike and a CBR road bike, the best way to police that, is to make it illegal to sell the filter in Europe.The Delegated Acts are the most scary thing, as they are the lists and details drawn up by the unelected and we won’t get to see what they are including until after the Regulation has been passed!
In solidarity with the French we need to be drawing attention to their recent government proposal to ban all bikes over 7 years old from an urban area and to make the wearing of day-glo/ reflective clothing compulsory.
Full sleeve day-glo clothing for riders and passengers has been proposed in the Irish Parliament too.
All these issues lead to the same thing, that we must take the blame for the incompetence of other road users. And while the emergency stop has been removed as a compulsory element of the UK car driving test, we are jumping through hoops with ill-judged UK interpretations of EU licencing directives.
Another EU licencing Directive is on its way (3DLD) to step the bike licencing system still further and the DfT and DSA still haven’t sorted the consultation process, even though it is meant to be in law by now and enacted January 2013.
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| Posted: 22:53 - 06 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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I read the list mainly but it's just stupid I think. Why are cars allowed to be modified to 1000hp+ where as bikes won't even be allowed an air filter or sprocket!
Next thing you know we won't be allowed to lean 
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| Posted: 00:20 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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I wish we had a referendum!!! Fuck the EU!
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| Posted: 10:05 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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Damn,maybe I need to rethink fitting that ashtray  |
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| Posted: 10:18 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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I'm a bit lost on the "road side emissions check" thingy as I don't see how when a bike does not have to pass an emissions test for it's MOT that it can then have to meet a target for plod.  
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| Posted: 11:46 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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The MAG Campaign is being pushed on a few forums i'm on as well. It makes scary reading if it's true.
Other scary proposals sweeping Europe which may or may not be true:
| Quote: | At the head of the list is the European 3rd Licence Directive, which will introduce an intermediate A2 tier of licence between the current 33hp ‘restricted’ category which can be gained by passing a test at age 17, and ‘direct access’ to full power bikes. Direct Access to full power bikes will be put back to 24 from the current 21.
New rules on braking systems on all new bikes, which will be imposed shortly. All new machines will have to have either linked brakes or ABS fitted as standard.
New laws will also allow for ‘anti-tampering’ measures to prevent and/or make it illegal to improve performance. This seems to cover parts like alternative sprockets and aftermarket exhausts.
Type approval is being extended to cover some replacement parts, specifically mirrors, brake pads and brake shoes and tyres. This would make it illegal to replace any of these parts with a non-approved part and goes far beyond the ‘e-mark’ legislation currently in place.
Compulsory protective clothing in Belgium. Belgium imposed new rules on 1 January 2011 which required all riders and passengers on two wheelers to wear long sleeves, trousers, gloves and boots that cover the ankle (plus the obligatory helmet, of course!). There’s no requirement for this to be ‘protective clothing’ as far as I can see, so it would appear to be a very minimum standard. But it’s still compulsory
Compulsory protective clothing in the UK whilst taking your bike test. In a very similar measure, the DSA recently announced that candidates turning up for their bike test in ‘inappropriate’ clothing could be turned away untested. Whilst the ‘appropriate clothing’ is no more than as recommended on CBT (ie, helmet, stout jacket and trousers, gloves and ankle-protecting footwear), it’s been rushed through with no apparent consultation with the motorcycle industry.
Compulsory hi-vis clothing in France for motorcyclists from 1 September 2011. This one’s kicked up a terrific stink in France with riders, with an estimated 100,000 turning out in demos on Sunday 18 June, in numbers which paralysed cities and towns up and down the country. According to reports, more than 15,000 bikers clogged up the heart of the capital blocking the Periphique, Lyon (France’s second largest city) saw more than 10,000 bikers, 7,000 demonstrated in Lille, and Toulouse was totally blocked by 8,000 bikers. Smaller demonstrations took place in dozens of other cities.
France to ban bikes over seven years old from cities centres. This was announced just before the hi-vis demo, so almost certainly added to the turn-out.
New French laws will also ban filtering and force all riders to remain stationary in traffic jams and retro-fit bigger rear numberplates [Rather bizarrely, Belgium has just legalised filtering on 1 January 2011, so long as it's within limits - you can't ride faster than 50Km/h or more than 20Km/h faster than the traffic you're filtering past.]
New French laws will give the police power to seize GPS units ‘capable of storing the locations of fixed speed cameras’. In the past, it was illegal to use a GPS to locate speed cameras and your GPS could be confiscated if used in this way, but it’s not clear whether this means any GPS capable of POI alerts contravenes the new regulations even if there are no such POIs in the memory.
Compulsory hi-vis in Ireland. The law was introduced a couple of years ago, but after a softly-softly period, it’s apparently been announced that it’s now to be strictly enforced. [EDIT] This appears to apply only to learner riders at the moment but there is a proposal to extend this to qualified riders [/EDIT]
Spain has banned headphones in helmets. It applies to car drivers too, but it means that using bike to bike/passenger intercoms is illegal south of the Pyrenees, as is using an earpiece to listen to GPS directions. |
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| Posted: 11:51 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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You do have to keep on top of this stuff even at the rumour stage, because by the time it comes out of committee in its final form, it's too late to stop it. That's how we got the clusterfrack that is the 3rd Driving License Directive. Hilariously, I'm still seeing people wanting to "object" to it, about a decade too late.
If you care, then forget about silly petitions, talk to your MEP face to face, and try to get all the local bikers and bike businesses to do so as well. I'm too bloody apathetic to do that, so it's down to you.
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| Posted: 13:48 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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If manufacture's have not realesed emission stats for bike, how can they be tested....
They can't retrospectively set limits. So any old bikes are going to be fine.
I have lost count of the number of times this stuff has been posted over the last few years.... |
If the EU want, they shall get. If they have to impose a ridiculous set of procedures, they shall.
| Rogerborg wrote: | You do have to keep on top of this stuff even at the rumour stage, because by the time it comes out of committee in its final form, it's too late to stop it. That's how we got the clusterfrack that is the 3rd Driving License Directive. Hilariously, I'm still seeing people wanting to "object" to it, about a decade too late.
If you care, then forget about silly petitions, talk to your MEP face to face, and try to get all the local bikers and bike businesses to do so as well. I'm too bloody apathetic to do that, so it's down to you. |
Won't make much difference. Chances are the MEP is either against or for "European Union" anyway. For example, if you live in the South East, then you could go and see Dan Hannan from the Conservatives or Nigel Farage from UKIP, both are against EU regulation regardless. Similarly if you live in Yorkshire, you could go and see Edward Mcmillan-Scott (former Conservative, joined Lib Dems after "leaving") and tell him about how opposed you are to the proposal, and he will likely not give a shlt about your views that complicate full integration.
It's also fairly up for debate how much power the EU Parliament actually has anyway, since most of the real power lays with the European Commission! |
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| Posted: 16:13 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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I'm sure this stuff would put a lot if not all local dealers out of business 
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| Posted: 18:01 - 15 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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Heh, I love how an 8 year old 125 is worse than a 6 year old Triumph Rocket. 
It's got hee-haw to do with emissions or enrivonmentalism - it's almost always better to keep an old vehicle in service than to make a new one - it's about selling new bikes, specifically Peugeots. See also the Japanese market, where the MOT is so onerous that you're as well buying new.
I can't quite make out the anti-tampering angle though. Tools to do it will be readily available well before the bikes hit the market. They might have some luck blocking bulk import of the actual parts, but individuals will still be able to order direct from China. Like as not, some mechanics will bypass the 27b/6 forms and do the work on the side.
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