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Trip
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Garage Completing Work Without Authorisation Reply with quote

Guys,

Two weeks ago i took my XJ600 to the local garage for a new rear tyre and MOT i had budgeted £150 for the tyre and MOT which i had quoted first.

The bike failed on a blowing exhaust, fork seals and rear wheel bearing so i asked them to do a quote for me, the guy who was there said he might be able to get a reasonably priced exhaust from a breaker he knew and he would let me know.

I phoned back two days later and was told they hadnt managed to price the bits, so i called back two days after that to be told that all the work had been completed:

Fork Seals
Wheel Bearing
Exhaust Gasket
'some welding'

To the tune of £340 (including the MOT and Tyre)

What realistically (and lawfully) can i do about this situation. The reality is i didnt have much to throw around anyway and was planning on get them to do what i could within my available budget ~£200 and then doing the rest myself (or a with a mate).

Any tips, advice, past experiences would be most welcome.

Cheers

Trip
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d suggest bypassing the till monkeys and go to management.
Do not pay for a thing until that issue is resolved. No work can be carried out unless verbally instructed to.
Any problems, call the old bill. Failing that, torch the place.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, name the garage. That's bang out of order, and even if they sort you out, their next victim might not be as lucky.

The most important thing is to get your bike back. Seriously, if they try to keep it, call the police. Whatever they say you owe them is a civil dispute. Them trying to hold your bike is criminal.

Once you've got it back, then they can whistle for their money.
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DrDonnyBrago
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Garage Completing Work Without Authorisation Reply with quote

Getting the bike back is of utmost priority.


They can't do non agreed work on your bike and charge you for it any more than I can come to your house and cut your grass without permission and charge you £5000 for gardening services.

It needs to be agreed before they can do it if they expect payment.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Garage Completing Work Without Authorisation Reply with quote

In contract law, consideration must not be past.

The example of cutting someones lawn above illustrates this perfectly.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Garage Completing Work Without Authorisation Reply with quote

Trip wrote:
Guys,

Two weeks ago i took my XJ600 to the local garage for a new rear tyre and MOT i had budgeted £150 for the tyre and MOT which i had quoted first.

The bike failed on a blowing exhaust, fork seals and rear wheel bearing so i asked them to do a quote for me, the guy who was there said he might be able to get a reasonably priced exhaust from a breaker he knew and he would let me know.

I phoned back two days later and was told they hadnt managed to price the bits, so i called back two days after that to be told that all the work had been completed:

Fork Seals
Wheel Bearing
Exhaust Gasket
'some welding'

To the tune of £340 (including the MOT and Tyre)

What realistically (and lawfully) can i do about this situation. The reality is i didnt have much to throw around anyway and was planning on get them to do what i could within my available budget ~£200 and then doing the rest myself (or a with a mate).

Any tips, advice, past experiences would be most welcome.

Cheers

Trip


Personally I'd say £80ish for the wheel fitted, another £10 for the bearings, £70 odd quid for the fork seals, not a lot for replacing an exhaust gasket and maybe £30 for the welding depending on what it was (exhuast?) Maybe about £210 plus the MOT would be reasonable?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about this scenario in an industry mag while waiting for some tyres to be fitted at my local ATS, the motor industry as a whole has a terrible reputation for ripping consumers off and treating them poorly.

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https://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/wirral/con1item.cgi?file=*ADV0046-1011.txt

Repairs have been carried out without authorisation:

This can be a contentious matter, especially with verbal contracts, as it can be very difficult to 'prove' that the garage had carried out the work without your authority. It will generally come down to your word against the word of the garage. If the garage has carried out unauthorised work, you could ask the garage to 'undo' it and put the vehicle back to its original condition. This course of action, however, can create problems, especially if it would make the car unroadworthy. The garage may also refuse to undo the work or release the car without payment. If improvements have been made, the garage is entitled to exercise a lien over the car (this is a legal right to hold disputed goods until payment is made). In these circumstances, the only way you can recover possession of the car is to 'pay under protest' and to pursue your claim for reimbursement - it's important to seek advice about paying under protest from Consumer Direct.

The garage may be a member of a trade association with a conciliation, mediation or arbitration service, which can help sort out your complaint. You may have to pay for using an arbitration service, but conciliation is usually free. Discuss the service offered with the trade association before committing yourself. You could also, as a last resort, take action in the county court.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offer to pay for the parts only and the welding, get them to knock a 100 quid off, there fault, should of asked. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Garage Completing Work Without Authorisation Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:


Personally I'd say £80ish for the wheel fitted, another £10 for the bearings, £70 odd quid for the fork seals, not a lot for replacing an exhaust gasket and maybe £30 for the welding depending on what it was (exhuast?) Maybe about £210 plus the MOT would be reasonable?


That assumes that the work was actually needed and they weren't just taking him for a ride. Now the works been done we'll never know.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 08 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would offer to pay 50% or you'll take the case to court and name and shame them on several public forums which will lose them business. Show them the beowulf beware thread or united breaks guitars video for proof.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

So i went to the garage today, the guy there said there was nothing he could do (would do).

He said that because i'd agreed to have the MOT and Tyre done that i had also consented to have the additional work done (despite me requesting a quote first)

I told him i would phone trading standards and see what my rights were, they told me i had the right to request them put the bike back to its original condition.

Long story short i managed to negotiate £40 off the total amount and keep all the work done to the bike.

Royally narked with the way i was treated though and in the interest of preventing the same thing happen to other people i will post the details of the company involved:

Corby Kawasaki Centre Ltd
Courier Road
Phoenix Parkway
Corby
Northamptonshire
NN17 5BA

I appreciate the amounts of money im talking about aren't massive but as i tried to explain to them today its the principle of the thing!
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had you drilled harder, and made them realise you could of got the work done much cheaper via bike friends and forum, 100 quid off.

But 40s not bad, the original charge was not overly OTT. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
Had you drilled harder, and made them realise you could of got the work done much cheaper via bike friends and forum, 100 quid off.

But 40s not bad, the original charge was not overly OTT. Thumbs Up


I was in the shop for a good hour and a half arguing it out, he even had the nerve to stop me to serve another customer. Had i gone in and shouted the odds i may have got further but thats definitely not in my nature.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trip wrote:
covdude wrote:
Had you drilled harder, and made them realise you could of got the work done much cheaper via bike friends and forum, 100 quid off.

But 40s not bad, the original charge was not overly OTT. Thumbs Up


I was in the shop for a good hour and a half arguing it out, he even had the nerve to stop me to serve another customer. Had i gone in and shouted the odds i may have got further but thats definitely not in my nature.


Would of took me 10 mins mate, theres no way they wanted to undo the work. Max i would of paid would of been 240.

But you did ok, 5 man points. Wink
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