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shereen
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: HRC Ignition Unit Reply with quote

What do they actually do? Is it worth the money getting one? Will it noticable improve my bike performance?

I have heard conflicting advice regarding the damn little box!!

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Last one I saw on egay went for over £200.
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: HRC Ignition Unit Reply with quote

If you don't know what it does you probably don't need it.


IMO, spending money to create extra power for a 400 is nonsensical, if you want a faster bike then buy a bigger one. Same goes for those on 600s tbh.

Servicing, handling and braking are the three exceptions, worn and abused shocks and springs can make the difference between a brilliant bike and a crap one and an unserviced abused bike will not run as strong as a respected one. Spend the £200 on a shock rebuild and respring and a set of fork springs. Alternatively braided lines and a brake rebuild or even just spend it getting your valve clearances done, if yours are out it could be costing you power anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All it does is increase the rev limit and alter the ignition cuve slightly.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
All it does is increase the rev limit and alter the ignition cuve slightly.


Doesn't de-restricting an nc30 do this anyway?
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, not worth it. Your bike is 15-20 years old, if you want to throw money at it then spend it on the brakes or suspension.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one on my NC30. I noticed no difference. Some say it reduces the flat spot in the rev range, but when dyno'ed my bike still had one.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
I had one on my NC30. I noticed no difference. Some say it reduces the flat spot in the rev range, but when dyno'ed my bike still had one.


Thumbs Up Made my mind up.

Think I might spend the money getting some upside downers instead.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though you've made your decision, just wanted to say don't bother with it, for £135 you can get an Ignitech CDI which will do everything that HRC box claims to do and more.

I have one on mine, and was very impressed, no restrictions, and it's slightly better in the midrange, it can be loaded with a HRC map if you have the rest of the setup Smile
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it does make 2 differences:
Removes the 112mph speed restriction, but so does adding in a resistor behind the clocks, adding a speedo converter and a few other things.
Removes the rev limiter. I found this out when I got mine off the scale overtaking my dad. Probably useful if you've done some serious engine modification and the limiter is kicking in too early for your newly shaped power curve, but for 99% of NC30's it just makes it easier to damage the engine.

The RVF USD's are internally the same as VFR forks, they mostly just look nicer. So getting your current forks serviced and some progressive springs would do more for the ride quality.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billing wrote:
for £135 you can get an Ignitech CDI which will do everything that HRC box claims to do and more.

I have one on mine, and was very impressed, no restrictions, and it's slightly better in the midrange, it can be loaded with a HRC map if you have the rest of the setup Smile


Someone else told me about these ignitech bad boys! Maybe I will look into the then if you rate them Thumbs Up


Frost wrote:
Actually it does make 2 differences:
Removes the 112mph speed restriction, but so does adding in a resistor behind the clocks, adding a speedo converter and a few other things.
Removes the rev limiter. I found this out when I got mine off the scale overtaking my dad. Probably useful if you've done some serious engine modification and the limiter is kicking in too early for your newly shaped power curve, but for 99% of NC30's it just makes it easier to damage the engine.


Mine is already de restricted and I dont really fancy ragging the nuts off it too much after all the money I have spent fixing it Laughing But thanks for the information Thumbs Up

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The RVF USD's are internally the same as VFR forks, they mostly just look nicer. So getting your current forks serviced and some progressive springs would do more for the ride quality.


I was told USD's make a massive difference Confused

Billing, you have USD forks no?
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than going for bog standard USDs, I'd personally just pay for Maxton to rework your current ones. Much better bang for your buck and you will notice a huge difference.

Unless your shock is standard and old, in which case I'd spend the money there first, since that's the best change in suspension you can make, in my very humble suspension addicted opinion. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Rather than going for bog standard USDs, I'd personally just pay for Maxton to rework your current ones. Much better bang for your buck and you will notice a huge difference.

Unless your shock is standard and old, in which case I'd spend the money there first, since that's the best change in suspension you can make, in my very humble suspension addicted opinion. Laughing


How can you tell if the shock is standard?
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the USD's for the looks, I'll admit it, I'm a tart Laughing but they do give provision for better brake calipers (gold ones from the SP1/2 etc)

If you do want an ignitech, shout me, I'll help you get one from the same place I got mine, come with the software CD and a cable to run to a computer (you'll want to spend the extra to get the adaptor unless you have a 9 pin serial port on your laptop)

Get me a picture of your shock, I'll tell you what it is, and whether it's rebuildable. I've been advised that if on a budget you're best off having the stock one rebuilt, it's good enough when it's in good condition Smile
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
How can you tell if the shock is standard?


Normally if it's been reworked by someone it'll have a brand name somewhere other than whoever built it in the first place, such as K-Tech on a Showa shock, also a different colour spring to standard is another give away. It's well worth getting a spring to match your weight if you're struggling to get it to handle well.

It's worth getting the shocks serviced anyway, I do believe some standard shocks aren't serviceable, but don't quote me on that, purely because as of yet I've not had one that hasn't been able to be serviced.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth too, if you do want USDs for the tart factor then before fitting them it's probably worth having them rebuilt by a company such as Maxton (I mention them because I've had excellent service from them before). I only bought an Ohlins shock over getting mine rebuilt because I was a tart. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remembered that convo we had about the redbull can on the shock reservoir on some bikes. You have a later shock, which IS rebuildable, so there's good news there Thumbs Up

From what the guys on greybike have said there doesn't appear to be any difference between the HRC box and a 2.2k ohm resistor, apart from it says HRC on it! I don't think anyone has been brave enough to crack one open to see whats actually in it though.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can sell you a magick potion that doubles your power. Only a tenner via paypal.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billing wrote:
Just remembered that convo we had about the redbull can on the shock reservoir on some bikes. You have a later shock, which IS rebuildable, so there's good news there Thumbs Up


So spend the money on getting the shocks rebuilt? How much does that cost ball part figure?
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
So spend the money on getting the shocks rebuilt? How much does that cost ball part figure?


About a year ago, I paid £50ish for the rebuild plus any additional parts required. Wink Then throw VAT on top of that. Thumbs Down

I've literally just phoned Maxton, Richard the guy who normally deals with enquiries is on holiday at the moment. They don't rebuild OEM shocks any more, since often parts aren't available any more, so they've taken your shock to pieces and they can't rebuild it for lack of getting parts. They couldn't recommend anyone purely because they've not seen the quality of the work.

New thing I've learnt though, Maxton shocks can be rebuilt to fit your new bike. So take your shock off, place their one on. They can obviously service their own shocks. Then when you sell the bike, swap the shocks round again, send the Maxton shock off to them and they're adjust it to fix your new bike.

The above isn't always possible, but may be of some use. Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
shereen wrote:
So spend the money on getting the shocks rebuilt? How much does that cost ball part figure?


About a year ago, I paid £50ish for the rebuild plus any additional parts required. Wink Then throw VAT on top of that. Thumbs Down


I was smiling until I saw the plus VAT bit lol. But still not too bad in the grand scheme of things.

Im taking the bike to the mechanics this afternoon to try and sort out my jitter problem https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=226902&highlight= so will ask him about getting shocks done Cool
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just edited my post above to include more information.

They start at £415 + VAT. Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Just edited my post above to include more information.

They start at £415 + VAT. Shocked


Shocked EEEEEEEEK Shocked

Is this to rebuild mine or to get Maxon ones fitted?
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
Chriss wrote:
Just edited my post above to include more information.

They start at £415 + VAT. Shocked


Shocked EEEEEEEEK Shocked

Is this to rebuild mine or to get Maxon ones fitted?


Sorry, a brand new one. Laughing
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