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Chriss
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Loobman Reply with quote

Hi all,

Looking to see if anyone has got some long term user reports of these devices. How have they stood the test of time?

From other threads I see they're awkward to install, but generally initially seem to work well. Can anyone post up a set of instructions to see what I should expect from it?

Also interested how the new version works, the AB version, since their website is pretty rubbish at explaining it. Sad

Many thanks!
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't mind your bike permanently looking like it took a swim around the Gulf of Mexico in May 2010 then a Loobman is for you! Laughing!

In seriousness, all I can tell you that with a Loobman/Scottoiler I've known people get 3x the life out of a chain than they normally do, unsure if that is with an O-Ring chain or not. However this makes it fantastic if you are doing a lot of miles i.e. a courier or similar.

Personally? I'd rather just spend 5 minutes putting the bike up on the paddock stand and lubing the chain every few days.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Loobman Reply with quote

Mine seemed to survive ok - repeated stoppies and off-roading may knock the feed out of position a bit, but that's about it.

I thought the instructions were on their site (or used to be) - it's actually fairly simple, but the amusing style of them possibly doesn't help.

No need for excess oil if you set it up right.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one on my TT600, and it was nearly as good as a scottoiler.

Nearly.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I had one on my TT600, and it was nearly as good as a scottoiler.


I prefer the idea of a Scotoiler, however I hate the fact it's £70. Then another £20 for the two sided dispenser.

£90 vs £20.

£70 buys many tanks of petrol.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:

£70 buys many tanks of petrol.

Or just over three, these days Sad.

Ideally I'd go for a full-time solution, but loobman's not bad, especially if you get it on the group buy.
Of course, if not, it shouldn't be THAT hard to make your own if you want to be really cheap.

I started making my own electronic chain oiler (with adjustable flow) got it pretty much sorted and as with so much of my life... left it at that! (To be fair, got made redundant, so don't have the regular commute to justify it.) Total cost would be around £30 I reckon if you can find the right bits at the right price.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one thought it was shit, just dumped oil everywhere Scotoiller FTW,
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I started making my own electronic chain oiler (with adjustable flow) got it pretty much sorted and as with so much of my life... left it at that! (To be fair, got made redundant, so don't have the regular commute to justify it.) Total cost would be around £30 I reckon if you can find the right bits at the right price.

I did the exact opposite in that I splurged £180 on a Scottoiler eSystem, and then paid a mechanic to fit it for me. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What’s awkward with the Loobman compared to a Scottoiler is that the delivery tube on the Loobman is gravity fed so has to be on a constant downward gradient to work. The Scottoiler is a syphon so the delivery tube can run anyway you like so long as the end is lower than the reservoir. I found it a challenge to fit the Loobman so that it had enough downward slope while still giving enough flex in the delivery tube to stop the system pulling itself to pieces when the swingarm fully extended over a big bump or something.

I’ve currently got a Loobman on my CB500 and it works well enough. I have the new push button version and my only problem with it is that it seems to require a lot of maintenance to keep it working safely. The filler cap is a bit loose so water gets into the oil in heavy rain, but that sinks to the bottom and dribbles out quickly the next time you press the button. The worst bit is that if you mount the bottle where it can get hit with road crap (which is pretty much anywhere on a bike) little bits of dust and grit get around the button and cause it to jam when you press it. Queue a desperate scrabble to un-jam the button while the system spunks 50ml of oil all over your back wheel. Keeping the button clean and lubricated is essential. I didn’t buy a chain oiler to increase my maintenance needs. I raised my issues with the Loobman maker and he was very helpful, but I ideally wanted to swap to the old squeeze bottle type and they were out of stock. I imagine that the simplicity of the squeeze bottle type means there’s less work to keep the system working.

The Loobman does the job and it’s a bargain price and loads of high mileage riders swear by them, but it’s not for me. I’ve had two bikes with Scottoilers and I’ve just bought one for the CB500. The Loobman will be coming off and will maybe get fitted to the RXS100 if I ever need to do loads of miles on it. A carefully fitted Scottoiler will pay for itself within a few thousand miles simply by doubling or tripling your chain life. The Loobman will do the same, but with more faffing about.


chris-red wrote:
Scotoiller FTW


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PostPosted: 10:32 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget there is also the Tuotoro chain oiler. I've got a couple at home and keep meaning to fit them to my chain drive bikes...
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this from MCN, so read into that what you will. It's a review of various chain oilers, didn't realise there were so many options.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damage your gearbox output seal a little so it weeps-chain oiler.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tutoro on mine, the chain and sprockets were fitted 5K miles ago and don't need adjustment yet Thumbs Up

Just have to remember to turn it off but the 1 time I forgot all the oil that escaped missed the tyre.


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PostPosted: 13:27 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottoiler FTW +2

£64 delivered and dont bother with the dual injector, tis just a way for them to make more money and will make the bike more of a mess. Single injector is all that is needed. Done nearly 10k miles with current chain and sprockets and only probably adjusted the chain twice and that was just being picky and allowing for extra weight when I toured!
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chillyman0 wrote:
Scottoiler FTW +2

£64 delivered and dont bother with the dual injector, tis just a way for them to make more money and will make the bike more of a mess. Single injector is all that is needed. Done nearly 10k miles with current chain and sprockets and only probably adjusted the chain twice and that was just being picky and allowing for extra weight when I toured!


I have seen chains with the single one which looked dry-ish on one side.
Maybe it just needed turning up.

I don't find it such a chore to do it properly manually.
If you tend to change bikes frequently it seems too much to keep paying to save a few minutes - and you should be checking your chain regularly anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottoiler FTW.

I hate oiling and adjusting chains, I rarely do either with a scottoiler.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

try the Tutoro chain oiler

https://www.tutorochainoiler.com/

has very good reviews and is £20
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tutoro for me, although mine has cracked after 3 years. I lost the original cover for it, so that has forced me into using a rubber bung, which mullered the reservoir. All you effectively need is the valve.

Tutoro ensures I go 2k miles without needing to adjust the chain... and I RAG it.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Loobman Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Hi all,

Looking to see if anyone has got some long term user reports of these devices. How have they stood the test of time?

From other threads I see they're awkward to install, but generally initially seem to work well. Can anyone post up a set of instructions to see what I should expect from it?

Also interested how the new version works, the AB version, since their website is pretty rubbish at explaining it. Sad

Many thanks!


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PostPosted: 20:37 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the old squeezy bottle on my last bike which was great i didn't need to adjust the chain in the 3000 miles i used it just gave it a squeeze twice a week or so when I knew I was going to be going thru town to work.
The new type is fitted to my GPZ and the push button does make it much easier but does take a bit of trial and error in how long to push it for.
personally I would go for one and allow a decent amount of time to fit it nicely so its easy to fill and press.
I use ep90 in mine and once I had worked out how long to press it for there is very little fling off it.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
In seriousness, all I can tell you that with a Loobman/Scottoiler I've known people get 3x the life out of a chain than they normally do.


So how much mileage is that considering I already average 25k+ with chain lube?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was a load of shite. First of all it was a pain in the arse to install and my first bottle hit the chain one day and all the oil leaked out the bottom. Cue buying another bottle. (Although technically that was my fault)

Then when it did work it decided to spray the whole swingarm and wheel with black oil, especially annoying when the bike had just been washed. Then I never had a journey long enough to get the full use out of it so i ended up with a puddle on the floor everytime I stopped.

In the end I gave up and just took to spraying the chain instead. When I finally came to remove it I found the tubing had a chunk taken out of it, not sure how, stone flinging up or the heat or being on too tight or something, so if I had tried to use it the oil would just have escaped before it reached the chain anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the Scottoiler.

Bought mine from ebay (£25 bargain), and the chain has looked clean and oily ever since. I fill it with cheapo engine oil rather than the Scottoiler brand oil for extra cheapness.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 18 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Paulington wrote:
In seriousness, all I can tell you that with a Loobman/Scottoiler I've known people get 3x the life out of a chain than they normally do.


So how much mileage is that considering I already average 25k+ with chain lube?


Ohh! Ohh! I know! 75,000+ miles. It'll make your chain riveter feel redundant. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 18 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Ohh! Ohh! I know! 75,000+ miles. It'll make your chain riveter feel redundant. Mr. Green


Now think about it....
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