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PostPosted: 17:39 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Buying a project bike, but how far do you take it? Reply with quote

I have just paid £100 to get my old Kawasaki GPZ 500 back, I sold it to my partners sister 2 and a half years ago, she threw it down the road a few weeks later and it spent a while off the road before being stored in the garden (all be it under a cover) for the rest of the duration.

It's a 97 with 23k on the clock (I put 10k on when I first owned it)

It has an MOT (though I don't think that has long left), new rear tyre, a SS 2-1 exhaust (which cost over £100 recently) and I believe the chain/sprockets are in good order too, also an Acumen alarm that I fitted. It's had everything done to make it as mechanically sound as possible but has been sat a while so no doubt could do with fluid changes.

As far as condition goes most pannels are scratched, so I'm not sure what I'll do with this?

I think a lot of hammerite is in order, but not sure if it's worth sorting the fairing out?

I am unsure if I will ride it as I currently don't own a motorcycle, or wether I'll just sell it, the reason I am buying it is for a bit of a project and because it's a bit of a bargain!

What is the usual drill with project bikes?


Appologies for the long post!

This is a picture of it shortly before I sold it;

https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/norfolkriders/DSC00708.jpg


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PostPosted: 17:58 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which one broke it Razz
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Buying a project bike, but how far do you take it? Reply with quote

TimNorwich wrote:
What is the usual drill with project bikes?


The usual drill is to decide for yourself what you want out of the project - a cheap runner, a back-to-showroom condition recovery, how much profit can you get for the bike with the minimum outlay, just want to practice spray painting - whatever floats your boat.

I'd personally give it a good front to back service, make sure it's roadworthy, then ride it whilst I make up my mind on what to do about the cosmetics.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Buying a project bike, but how far do you take it? Reply with quote

TimNorwich wrote:
What is the usual drill with project bikes


They get aquired with a lot of ideas and enthusiasm; torn to bits which are all neatly stored in boxes, pretty bits get painted, lots of service spares bought, then when you come to fit the brake pads, discover a siezed piston.... this delays the project, and you return to the pretty bits while trying to find some-one to get siezed piston out the caliper for you, becouse you took it off the brake line before popping it...... and you start polishing things like fork yokes.....

Two years later...... When you have to move house/have been given too much earache/have the 'idea'........

You pick back up..... and remember why you had given up...... the caliper is now free of piston, so you order a new piston & seal kit.... meanwhile you polish the chain guard, lube the chain, and contemplate the state of the tyres......

When seals arrive, along with the HEL braided line you thought to get as its that much better than the old perished rubber hose, that has strangely gone missing..... you put teh caliper back together, pop it on the forks, and go looking for some brake fluid....

Following weekend, after getting some at the petrol station on your way home from work one night...... you soundly round out the master cylinder reservour cap screws.......

SO... having spent all week-end, resorting to drilling out reservour screws.... you fill brake with fluid...... and attempt to bleed the system.... only the bleed nipple shears....

NO problem,. yo take caliper back off to get the mate that took piston out to have a look at it..... meanwhile you fit cap back on reservoir with gaffer tape..... and go check the web for a pair of new screws....

Horrified they are £1.75 +VAT each.... you say £For two M5 Counter-Sunk SCREWS!" and DONT order them.....

This fact is revealed to you two years later, when your 'mate' returns the caliper to you, becouse he was having a clear out...... now with an E-Z Shear frustration inducer lodged firmly in teh hole of the sheared bleed nipple......

Thats SORT of 'The Drill', plenty of variations on the enactment depending on bike...... REALLY.

Conclusion? Hassle; grief; frustration & expense; and at the end of the day, something that either gets sold off 'Just needs Fork-Seals for Test' on e-bay; dumped ignominiosely in a skip; OR if you bludy mindedly bat on with it; gets stuck in AutoTrader with a price tag that just abvout covers the price of parts you have bought, that makes Traders baulk and say "He's having a laugh!"
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real question is do you REALLY want this bike? It will cost more than its worth to get it back to top condition if you take into account your time as well as bits.
If you are unsure then punt it out through E-Bay as is or spend as little as possible to get a years mot then punt it out through E-Bay and loose even more money.
If you are sentimentally attached to the thing then take the bull by the horns and properly cost all the bits you will need then double that figure to give a rough idea of what it will cost. Then double it again. Then think how you will do the job in an unheated shed in a British winter and how you will make the time as you will need to spend every spare hour on the project if you stand any hope of completing the job in a sensible time frame.
May sound extreme but if this sounds like fun crack on and enjoy it. Many people do, as indeed I have until I came to my senses and now just buy bikes that are all there and are road worthy.
It's your life to spend how you wish!
Good luck and keep us posted on your decision and the rebuild if you go down that route.

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PostPosted: 19:23 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it stands the bike is in full working order, the biggest issue will be doing something with the fairing. Apart from that it's just sanding away the rust and getting some smooth black Hammerite on there.

It's a fully working bike with plenty of bits worth money, so even if I decide to pack it in I can't see myself being at a loss?

Thanks,

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good condition, lowish mileage GPZ is worth £7 - 800 on a really good day, yours, with full MOT and at least six months tax, maybe £500, more like £400. Sold as a spares /repair you are likely to get £200.
IF the engine is good, however, GPZ bits are plentiful and cheap. I recently bought one that needed a full frame restore and a replacement piston just to get it going. I put it back on the road for the grand outlay of about £150 and quite a bit of work,
I did NOT make a great proffit on that one!
Really, unless you are totally geared up to take on full rebuilds, its just not worth the effort. (BTW, the price of scrap metal these days, it is probably easier just to take it to a scrap dealer, bet you'll get at least £150 for it and you've done nothing!).
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Buying a project bike, but how far do you take it? Reply with quote

TimNorwich wrote:
I have just paid £100 to get my old Kawasaki GPZ 500 back.
It's a 97 with 23k on the clock It has an MOT.new rear tyre, a SS 2-1 exhaust (which cost over £100 recently) and I believe the chain/sprockets are in good order too, also an Acumen alarm that I fitted. It's had everything done to make it as mechanically sound as possible but has been sat a while so no doubt could do with fluid changes.


What is the usual drill with project bikes?


Dont see much of a project there?
I`d bite yer arms off for that, give it a wash and ride it as is.

If it looks like a pile of scaffolding and everything is jammed solid = that`s a project Thumbs Up ie my Sachs that has just gone back on the road Thumbs Up

Surely the point of a project is to make better/rescue a bike?

I`v always found that "projects" take a lot more money & time than you think. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just generally needs a tidy up, but wasn't sure how much money to put into it and was wondering if I'd make anything back, the feedback would suggest I wouldn't... I'll think about what I want to do!
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

TimNorwich wrote:
It's a fully working bike with plenty of bits worth money, so even if I decide to pack it in I can't see myself being at a loss?


If you know the answer, why ask the question?

Look, you are being told by people that have done and do, and know how most projects go, what the score is. Do you think we are lying to you for the sake of it? Or do you hope that putting the question differently will get you the answer you want to hear?

"Yeah"! Great bike; carry on, be done in a week, and make you a mint! Flog for at LEAST three grand that will! Bet it don't need more than 50p worth of paint and a bit of old cornflake packet to bring it up a treat! Do it in your lunch hour you could!"

That what you want to be told?

Can TELL you that if you like, but wont make it so!

FACT; most projects don't make money.
FACT: most projects are far from 'easy'
FACT: most people never finish projects.

FACT: most unfinished projects get so; becouse people starting them DONT believe that they can fail, and wont heed advice offered.

You MAY be one of the very lucky ones; BUT, on a motorcycle with top book private sale price for very good 'original' condition example around £900, and half that for anything obviousely fixed up, you do not have a huge margin to work within; liklihood of making money VERY slim.

Your call........
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