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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Headcam footage of bomb disposal - Bomb Squad BBC 1 Reply with quote
The first episode of The Bomb Squad will be on BBC One on 13 September 2011 at 22:35. (Tonight).

Preview of a bomb being defused here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14884652
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks really interesting, and I was hoping to get an early night tonight.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe this will show people not all bombs have different coloured wires and it isn't as tense picking a wire to cut as hollywood shows.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
Maybe this will show people not all bombs have different coloured wires and it isn't as tense picking a wire to cut as hollywood shows.


Technically it's not a "bomb",it's an IED.I know,both go boom and can kill you but there really is a difference.

It's more tense than you might imagine.All the troops are lying flat to reduce their silhouette in case theirs a sniper around and there's also a chance that someone with a remote detonator could be lying waiting for the logistics corp to start defusing it ....a UXB guy is a better kill than a basic squaddie as they take longer to train and are harder to replace.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
"there may be more to this than meets the eye"

Reminds me of the scene from the The Hurt Locker when he defuses one buried artillery shell IED, then pulls the wire and 8 more pop out the ground
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
For some reason when they were talking to the camera I was reminded of creature comforts.

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheers for the heads up, this is my chosen trade when I get into the Army so will be good to have a visual insight into it! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wonder what the life expectancy is of a bomb defuser working in Afghanistan. The net says it was about 10 weeks in WWII. Not surprising they need recruiting films.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm surprised they pick at the bomb like that, definately a bad idea. They should just blow it up and move on, preferably from a very safe distance.

Germ wrote:
The Artist wrote:
Maybe this will show people not all bombs have different coloured wires and it isn't as tense picking a wire to cut as hollywood shows.


Technically it's not a "bomb",it's an IED.I know,both go boom and can kill you but there really is a difference.

It's more tense than you might imagine.All the troops are lying flat to reduce their silhouette in case theirs a sniper around and there's also a chance that someone with a remote detonator could be lying waiting for the logistics corp to start defusing it ....a UXB guy is a better kill than a basic squaddie as they take longer to train and are harder to replace.


They will almost certainly be equiped with jammers for all common frequencies (all GSM bands, all ISM bands, marine VHF, broadcast radio ect). Most IEDs with a remote detonator will use an off-the-shelf transmitter. So remote detonation is likely to be extremely difficult unless there is a wired connection.

phantomtek wrote:
Cheers for the heads up, this is my chosen trade when I get into the Army so will be good to have a visual insight into it! Very Happy


Probably a fair amount chopped out.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Germ wrote:

Technically it's not a "bomb",it's an IED.I know,both go boom and can kill you but there really is a difference.

Isn't 'IED' just a term to try and differentiate them (nasty terror people) from us (bringers of righteous death to the foreigners)?
Seems to be covered to me.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 13 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
phantomtek wrote:
Cheers for the heads up, this is my chosen trade when I get into the Army so will be good to have a visual insight into it! Very Happy


Probably a fair amount chopped out.


Better than nothing though right? I doubt I will ever see active service in Afghan as bomb disposal as it takes 5 years service and the rank of Sgt. to even think about it, then loads of training after, but it will be interesting to me to even see the types of things they are up against. As you can see from the video, its astounding something as throwaway as an empty pop bottle and a few nuts and bolts is used to maim some poor bastard that takes a wrong step, whether he be soldier or civvy.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
For anybody who has watched it, could you have guessed what was going happen?

As soon as they showed the lad larking about and not following his training (those seven weeks must have really drilled it into him Rolling Eyes ) It was pretty obvious if anyone was going to mess up, it would be him. Neutral
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The term IED is being widely misused.

Obviously it stands for Improvised Explosive Device, the meaning being that it is some sort of hacked-up home made device made from parts not meant for a bomb. At the very least it's a bomb that wasn't manufactured in some form of factory.

Unfortunately the term is also being used to describe Iranian anti-tank mines and relatively sophisticated devices made in Taliban bomb 'factories'.

Well.. That's just a mine or a purpose made bomb, there's nothing improvised about it.

If a local bod wires up some canisters of fertiliser with an artillery shell and a grill lighter for a detonator, that's an IED. If you buy it from an Iranian factory or have it assembled by a Taliban bomb maker then it's just a plain old mine/bomb/whatever.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
phantomtek wrote:


Better than nothing though right? I doubt I will ever see active service in Afghan as bomb disposal as it takes 5 years service and the rank of Sgt. to even think about it, then loads of training after, but it will be interesting to me to even see the types of things they are up against. As you can see from the video, its astounding something as throwaway as an empty pop bottle and a few nuts and bolts is used to maim some poor bastard that takes a wrong step, whether he be soldier or civvy.


I think it's meant more for armoured vehicles, since it's quite large and he mentions a copper plate. Basically, the explosive turns the copper plate into a hot jet of metal which punches through tank armour. Here's some more info on it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator

On not seeing active duty, that's probably going to get on your nerves, especially if there is a sort of class divide after A'stan between those that have seen active duty, and those that have only seen a barracks.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
phantomtek wrote:


Better than nothing though right? I doubt I will ever see active service in Afghan as bomb disposal as it takes 5 years service and the rank of Sgt. to even think about it, then loads of training after, but it will be interesting to me to even see the types of things they are up against. As you can see from the video, its astounding something as throwaway as an empty pop bottle and a few nuts and bolts is used to maim some poor bastard that takes a wrong step, whether he be soldier or civvy.


I think it's meant more for armoured vehicles, since it's quite large and he mentions a copper plate. Basically, the explosive turns the copper plate into a hot jet of metal which punches through tank armour. Here's some more info on it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator

On not seeing active duty, that's probably going to get on your nerves, especially if there is a sort of class divide after A'stan between those that have seen active duty, and those that have only seen a barracks.


I meant the one in the first link, not the actual program, I think the nuts and bolts are to increase damage through shrapnel. In the program it was more roadside bombs than other types. Unless thats what you meant then I stand corrected.

I don't think there is any sort of class divide between Ammo Techs internally, but maybe between the RE EOD squad and the ATs maybe. There is always going to be conflict in the world so I'm sure I will be needed somewhere at some point! If the hippies are right, then when Afghan runs out of oil we can invade somewhere else for it, I can always help with that Rolling Eyes

As far as I know the ATs life is fairly mundane day to day but the promotion and technical aspect appeals to me, though I'll probably end up in Northern Ireland at some point. Can always do tours in Afghan as an ammo tech in a none IEDD role though, so not all bad!
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why do they bother defusing it?

Scout picks up bomb, bomb guy puts a wad of C4 on and destroy everything including the detonator (so no reuse).

The guy defusing it seems entirely pointless, unless its for training and then thats some dangerous training...
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheDonUK wrote:
Why do they bother defusing it?

Scout picks up bomb, bomb guy puts a wad of C4 on and destroy everything including the detonator (so no reuse).

The guy defusing it seems entirely pointless, unless its for training and then thats some dangerous training...


To collect for forensic evidence from the parts to see where they come from and stop them being so easily available to Tony Taliban. Also to keep up with the new ways that they are making the IEDs themselves, try to stay one step ahead.

Plus they can't just go round whacking C4 on IEDs that are on main roads or near buildings etc, costs money for C4, compensation to locals and rebuilding the road that has been damaged. Plus if it is defused it saves time rebuilding the road as it can be used straight away once made safe, not the same story if it has a crater in it. I guess it also stops remote detonations for it to be defused before destruction, and lessens the chance of it being attached to other nearby IEDs that are well concealed, such as like on Hurt Locker where he pulls the wire of an IED and 8 others come with it, for example.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
phantomtek wrote:
TheDonUK wrote:
Why do they bother defusing it?

Scout picks up bomb, bomb guy puts a wad of C4 on and destroy everything including the detonator (so no reuse).

The guy defusing it seems entirely pointless, unless its for training and then thats some dangerous training...


To collect for forensic evidence from the parts to see where they come from and stop them being so easily available to Tony Taliban. Also to keep up with the new ways that they are making the IEDs themselves, try to stay one step ahead.

Plus they can't just go round whacking C4 on IEDs that are on main roads or near buildings etc, costs money for C4, compensation to locals and rebuilding the road that has been damaged. Plus if it is defused it saves time rebuilding the road as it can be used straight away once made safe, not the same story if it has a crater in it. I guess it also stops remote detonations for it to be defused before destruction, and lessens the chance of it being attached to other nearby IEDs that are well concealed, such as like on Hurt Locker where he pulls the wire of an IED and 8 others come with it, for example.




We don't use C4, we use PE4. In the grand scheme of things the cost of PE, cost of rebuilding roads etc etc etc are all nothing compared to the risk faced by the No 1.

Forensics is everything in why we render safe rather than just destroy. You'd be amazed at just how much you can tell about the bomb maker, his parts supplier, which country sponsors him and so on by the details of the way the device is made. Simply destroying the devices in place would save the lives of operators in the short term, but it's purely addressing the symptom rather than the disease.

Remember though - it's not just RLC ATOs who do the job of No 1, there's RAF operators on C-IED too. (While the Royal Engineer search guys take just as much risk by actively going out looking for devices)
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 18 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The disease is us being there in the first place, fighting a war against opponents who only have the means to fight back asymmetrically...

The last two opinions are what i expected in response TBH, and reinforce why i would never, never choose to join the army
to fight in such wars. 1945 was the last time we fought any legitimate war where the loss could be justified in a sick way.

Seems absolutely bonkers to me that you put men infront of explosive devices to collect forensics/intel or to save the cost of your own C4/PE4. Absolutely not worth the risk.

If you are going to war with a country use your military potential and carpet bomb the whole fucking country, civilian "collateral damage" and all, or dont go in the first place/get out.

Did no one learn from Korea and Vietnam?
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 19 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheDonUK wrote:

Seems absolutely bonkers to me that you put men infront of explosive devices to collect forensics/intel or to save the cost of your own C4/PE4. Absolutely not worth the risk.

I presume the idea is to save more British soldiers lives by trying to work out who might have done it, as well as keeping main routes open, etc.
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G wrote:
TheDonUK wrote:

Seems absolutely bonkers to me that you put men infront of explosive devices to collect forensics/intel or to save the cost of your own C4/PE4. Absolutely not worth the risk.

I presume the idea is to save more British soldiers lives by trying to work out who might have done it, as well as keeping main routes open, etc.



Exactly - it's nothing to do with the cost of PE etc, everything to do with finding and fighting the bomb makers, their sources, their sponsors.
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