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The CBR125 is a teeny bike, but the Ninja 250 is also quite neat and light. You're not going to get much of a Big Boy Bike feel from it.
I like them too, but they make very little sense as a purchase. Right now (well, until September 30th) you can get a new SV650S with a free 25kW restrictor on 0% finance for over £100 less than a Ninja 250. That's a lot more bike for less money.
Even used, they're over priced. Fuel economy is going to be 70-80mpg depending on riding style, but they want revved, so think towards the low end of that scale.
And it'll be lose value hand over first in 2013, when licensing laws change and the 25kW license tails away.
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| Posted: 17:21 - 28 Sep 2011 Post subject: Re: when I get a bigger bike |
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| Whatsername wrote: | When I pull off on the CBR125 sometimes it feels really wobbly it's not smooth how I want it to be. Is this because the bike is small and will it improve when I get a bigger bike? |
No. Its because you aren't launching smoothly, and are probably over correcting 'wobble' as you shift balence from you balencing bike to bike balencing you.
Lightweight little bike merely 'exaggerates' what you are doing. It will still be there on a bigger bike, just the bikes extra weight and length will to some degree 'damp' the wobbliness, and that MAY as you get used to it, help YOU get smoother, not 'reacting' to the wobble, over correcting and perpetuating it..... BUT the initial wobliness is down to you, and will probably still be there.
Crack it in a little bike, and be ACE on a big one.
DONT crack it on the tiddler, and you'll feel happier on a big one; BUT... the 'tendancy' for that over correcting not 'cured' it will pop up some-where else, like a more awkward 'launch' where there is a bump over a kerb and a camber change and going all wobbly on a heavier bike, you'll have more to manage and might be 'too much'...
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| Posted: 17:26 - 28 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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Lean forward a bit more when you move away. If you sit back your arms will be straight and it will be wobbly as anything; by leaning forwards your forearms are more horizontal and the only input will be steering, not the tense up-and-downyness you get when you sit back.
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Posted: 17:48 - 28 Sep 2011  Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | And it'll be lose value hand over first in 2013, when licensing laws change and the 25kW license tails away. |
| jordanmoore wrote: | Could you explain this new licensing directive affecting us new riders please? |
No, they are deliberately unintelligible!
| jordanmoore wrote: | Is is going to be like other license changes where it only applies to those who have their license on or after a specific date, or to everyone. |
It applies to 'every-one' who doesn't have 'full' motorcycle entitlement on an existing licence, or who doesn't gain full entitlement before cut off date (January 2013 'target')
| jordanmoore wrote: | And if everyone: Say I manage to pass my Mod 2 tomorrow and get my restricted A2 license, this new licensing change shouldn't affect me should it? (as in, I'll still be on 33bhp for 2 years and then unlimited?) |
The entitlement you gain, on your licence prior to law change will be homoured; you will not get a 'new' A2 group on your licence, you will get a full 'A' group endorsed with two year 33bhp restriction.
When restriction period lapses, even though that will be after law change date, you will have full 'unrestricted' licence as awarded to you date you passed test, before law change.
Make sense?
As far as Roger's comments about 25Kw restriction & effect on motorcycle market?
Practically the middle ground will go 'dead'.
125's will still be in demand; becouse at 17 that's all you'll be able to ride.
You wont be able to test on one though, for more than A1 125 licence, and you'll have to be 19 to test 'DAS-Style' on a 45Kw 500+ machine you wont be able to ride on the road, unless under radio supervision of instructor. Test on that, and you get A2 licence that will let you ride UP to a 45Kw bike, but permenant restriction; to gain 'full' A group 'any bike' licence, you will have to test again on 'full power' machine, having held A2 licence 2 years, or reached age of 24 to do 'DAS'.
In effect; the A1 licence will become redundant, as long as possibility for Perpetual L-Plating on CBT remains; as thats all A1 entitles you to ride. A2, licence, only of interest to under 24's, is ALSO likely to become 'redundant'; as having to pay big money to train & test DAS style, will put many off; look how loath so many are to spend money on training on their OWN 125! And for the award of only 'half' a licence, and having to do it all over, and pay all over to get full A after two years or at 24.... MOST will simply wait until they are 24 and do DAS.... and many SCHOOLS are predicting that logic and NOT gearing up to train for A2 licence tests; so they wont have A2 eligible bikes even if you WANTED to pay to train for a half licence.....
The way that will effect current bike market is that prices of shitty 125's is only likely to get even stronger, and with little incentive to test and get off them; things like R125's & Veradaro's are going to become more common, as people look at 125's as much more 'long term' machines.
The middle market, from 150 - 600 is going to pretty much collapse.
Already people expect to jump straight from 125 to a 600... restriction or no restriction; and with very few people gaining a2 licences NEEDING bikes under 45Kw.... there wont be many folk looking for them.
And remember, at the moment; the sub 600 capacity range is popular with people facing high insurance premiums; and THEY are significantly younger ones...... when 3rd directive comes in, most 'young' riders will be lost perpetually L-Plating on 125's, and only over 24's will be looking for big-bikes..... insurance drop at 25 years old? they aren't going to be so effected as to be searching out bikes with higher mpg and lower insurance groupings....
In short; whole bludy abortion is well intended... but rather than stepping the system to build folk UP to big bikes, as was considered... all it does, thanks to DAS is encourange every one to rag little bikes to death, on L's learning to pin throttles one, until they can jump straight onto a 600+ hyper bike and ride it the same way!
BUT, phenomina of UK legacy, I believe; we are only country that has unsupervised riding on L's..... every one has to take the A1 test to ride one...... and we are the only country with DAS that allows you to go STRAIGHT to a hyper-bike in one go......
But, there you go..... beurocrats basically just want to get young folk OFF bikes, or make it as expensive and difficult, and as little 'fun' as possible, with the idea that they'll give up on the idea and stop adding to the accident stats.
Problem of DAS candidates killing themselves within thier first 18months, on Hyper-Bikes is another matter..... but they'll deal with that one as they get round to it...... people old enough and ritch enough to afford to do DAS and jump onto 600+ hyper bikes, of course tend to have that bit more 'voter-presence'... so they have to be a bit more canny round them!
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Posted: 19:10 - 28 Sep 2011  Post subject: |
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Thanks Tef - really informative 
I'm so glad that I've fallen before the 2013 changes; I'm ashamed to say that would probably have turned me into a cager till I was 24  Not that I can afford the insurance to once of those.. 
That out of the way, being legally "too young" to ride a big bike whist still being legally allowed is going to feel rather cool 
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| Posted: 22:29 - 28 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | 125's will still be in demand; becouse at 17 that's all you'll be able to ride. |
Yup, demand should even rise, as teens will be stuck on one for a full 2 years.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | You wont be able to test on one though, for more than A1 125 licence, and you'll have to be 19 to test 'DAS-Style' on a 45Kw 500+ machine |
25kW+ and 400cc+, although in practice, it'll be at least a 500cc 35kW+, or more likely a full power 650.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Test on that, and you get A2 licence that will let you ride UP to a 45Kw bike |
35kW. Going by manufacturer's claims, a GS500 makes very slightly under 35kW, while all the other 500 twins claimed over 35kW but will almost certainly test under. The new BMW G650GS has been tuned to exactly 35kW. Anything bigger should need restricted, but whether the new A2 limit is going to be observed or enforced remains to be seen.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | to gain 'full' A group 'any bike' licence, you will have to test again on 'full power' machine |
And likely the exact same 650 that you passed the A2 test on. 
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | A2, licence, only of interest to under 24's, is ALSO likely to become 'redundant'; as having to pay big money to train & test DAS style, will put many off |
I'm minded to agree. On the other hand, if Plod and insurers don't bother to enforce the 35kW power limit then the new A2 might become in effect an early DAS.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | MOST will simply wait until they are 24 and do DAS.... and many SCHOOLS are predicting that logic and NOT gearing up to train for A2 licence tests; so they wont have A2 eligible bikes even if you WANTED to pay to train for a half licence..... |
I definitely agree on that. Training bikes (by 2013) will likely all be full power 600cc+ machines, which will make the A2 test and license a bit of a farce
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | The middle market, from 150 - 600 is going to pretty much collapse. |
Absolutely agree. I can't imagine what Honda are about, introducing the CBR250R now, when it'll be an albatross within 24 months. Once you've passed new A2 on a full power 650, are you really going to want to go down to a smaller machine? I'm not seeing it.
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