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Don't think there's much point annoying the general public countrywide, we are almost powerless anyway. Seems the way to get attention is to setup camp en masse outside parliament! ____________________ www.bike-shack.com - Probably the best free motorcycle classifieds website in the UK... |
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Peaceful protest does not work, effectively the government is very clever in using divide and conquer tactics against any group with a greivance legitimate or not.
So a bunch of bikers block up the roads.
The state propaganda channel the BBC and other state propaganda like the newspapers demonise them and use sock puppets to demonise such people. They edit footage to make these people look evil. For example the 1980s the BBC edited footage to show the miners attacking the police.
Thus population is divided and instead of bleedin' high petrol taxes the agenda changes to bleedin' scummy bikers.
As before peaceful protest does not work, the only way to affect real change is via violence on a grand scale. Which is ironic because modern states are all backed by violence (the 'money' in your wallet is an example of this).
So 20,000 bikers turn up, pff, 1 million people turned up in London, did anything change bog all did. Did voting change anything naw... Hypothesise if those 20,000 people turned up with AK47s and rope. ____________________ "It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one" |
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If I was in my car and you horrible lot slowed me down i think i would be against you. But I support all that is going on because i understand. But I don't think a few thousand cagers would have appreciated being delayed.
But we have to get the message out there so what other options do we have ???  ____________________ there is nothing like the smell of 2stroke in the morning
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This sums up quite well the reasons for the protest:
"To all the irate car drivers abusing bikers nationwide, may I paint you a picture? Imagine being told that you had to use OE parts every time your car needed attention. Bye bye Halfords, Kwik Fit, etc. Imagine being regularly stopped by the police when you were out driving perfectly legally, for them to check you hadn't tampered with your vehicle or fitted any non-standard parts. Imagine being told that you were forbidden to drive unless you were wearing a certain colour clothing. ... Imagine having the control of your vehicle taken out of your hands and trusted to a computer. Imagine being told that your 7 year old car, your pride and joy, was now forbidden from entering towns and cities. This is the reason you were held up for 20 minutes on 25/09/2011. Be under no misunderstanding, Car drivers will soon be moaning when the new MOT rules come into play in 2012, It's just the start!, the bikers are the first in line for draconian EU interference. If we fall, it will be a domino effect.
Support us now, because u are next.. |
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Lol, got to love it, ANGRY BIKERS!!! We were riding around whipping each other with chains, flames coming out of our exhausts, bulging veins in our necks. |
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Well this protest was so well planed and advertised that as a biker the 1st I knew of it was a poll on this site asking who went.....
Causing other road users delays is not the way to get support... unless its a national issue such as the fuel pricing that effects everyone.
Will it have any effect on the result.... NOPE.
Perhaps if ALL bikers turned up and rode round the EU office's then it might just make someone take notice....
More likely the result would be lets ban bikes.....
The buracrats in the EU don't give a stuff about anyone but making sure that their gravy train keeps running. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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We have the same issue in the BPA (British Parachute association). There are only 4600 of us. And the government are constantly on our backs....
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| G wrote: | And what I find particularly sad is that so many bikers act towards cyclists and horse riders in just the same way they dislike car drivers acting with them! |
I think the separatism is the largest part of the problem. Britain's roads are terrible for it. Normal car drivers hate BMW and Audi drivers, who hate cyclists, who hate motorbikes, who hate horses, who hate green laners, who hat Sunday cyclists, who hate Sunday drivers, who hates everyone. Every sub group not only has no interest in other sub groups, but nearly always seems to lay the hate on each other. Its not universal of course, some people drive and ride, others cycle and ride and they may be a little more open minded.
If anyone has a good idea for uniting every road using sub group under one cause, stick your answer on a postcard and you will win a prize. Until then, blocking roads without getting out a clear 'we are all in this together' will just further cause dislike and separatism.
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A small note that part of the argument from the 'No to bike parking tax' segregated themselves from drivers with some arguments. 'Bikes have never had to pay before' thing and the fact they did not seem to have any interest in removing car parking fees. That lost them sympathy, and is another example of why separatism sucks balls on the road.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 15 years, 10 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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