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Fifteen15
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: New bike - Fail of epic proportions Reply with quote

Bought my SV650 about a month ago, it's my first bike. I have done about 1100 miles on her in that time. Anyway, when at the petrol station I had a pick of two types of petrol, Excellium and Premium. At first I thought, Premium sounds more expensive, so I'll take the cheaper Excellium stuff. Fast forward 1 month and 1100 miles, I filled up at the petrol station with a mate, and he thought I was joking when I told him I just filled her up with Excellium unleaded, which totaled £20. It was then that I realized what I complete plank I have been.

So riding 1100 miles on Excellium, would it have done any damage? I mean other than to my pocket.

Anyone else done this when they first started riding?

And why the hell is the shitty petrol called Premium?!
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am confused Question
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maruchino wrote:
I am confused Question

Elaborate? Very Happy Maybe I got the names mixed up. Or maybe Excellium is only sold at Total garages?
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just use the cheap stuff!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maruchino wrote:
I am confused Question


I think it's diesel he's been filling up with.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maruchino wrote:
I am confused Question


Not the only one.

Whatever you've used is obviously fine or you wouldn't have got 1100 miles down the road.

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PostPosted: 21:20 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epic? Epic?

I'd hate to see it if you actually did something worthy of the word, you'd have an aneurysm.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Just use the cheap stuff!

That's what confuses me. There are 3 types of fuel. 1 type of diesel and 2 types of petrol, but I don't actually know which is the cheapest petrol Embarassed
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at the bit on the pump that says how much per litre the stuff you're buying is.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is giving me an epic
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OP, you seem to be saying that you've been putting in high octane (98 RON?) petrol instead of 95 RON. If so, forget about it. You haven't done any harm. It's unlikely you've got any benefit unless the SV has a knock sensor (probably not), but the only thing you've damaged is your wallet to the tune of a few £££ or so.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Take a look at the bit on the pump that says how much per litre the stuff you're buying is.

That's a good idea lol, never noticed anything on the pump before.

Rogerborg wrote:
OP, you seem to be saying that you've been putting in high octane (98 RON?) petrol instead of 95 RON.

Yeah, this.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ImNoSuperman wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Take a look at the bit on the pump that says how much per litre the stuff you're buying is.

That's a good idea lol, never noticed anything on the pump before.


Eh?
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my SV gets a tank of optimax/super then it considers it a treat, they have no knock sensors so can't adjust the ignition timing to take advantage of the better fuel. Because of that they are set to run on the cheapest glug they are ever likely to have poured into the tank (91 RON iirc).

When mine gets optimax it is slightly smoother and pops/crackles more on over-run Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
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There are 3 types of fuel. 1 type of petrol and 2 types of petrol, but I don't actually know which is the cheapest petrol




should i laugh or cry?

Typo Smile Edited now.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put that expensive shell stuff in my old ER5 the once and I think my not actually went down.

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: New bike - Fail of epic proportions Reply with quote

So the question boils down to:


which of the two numbers on the 20ft sign is bigger...



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PostPosted: 14:54 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ImNoSuperman wrote:
Bendy wrote:
Just use the cheap stuff!

That's what confuses me. There are 3 types of fuel. 1 type of diesel and 2 types of petrol, but I don't actually know which is the cheapest petrol Embarassed


Actually

unleaded - 95 Ron
Super - 98 Ron
V Power - 102ron

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Gas

Lots of fuels....

tbh, I use unleaded in my Tornado, its fine.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

normal unleaded stuff, cheapest stuff at the pump.... if you get stuck ask a fellow old age pensioner to help you pick out normal unleaded Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daimo wrote:

Actually

unleaded - 95 Ron
Super - 98 Ron
V Power - 102ron

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Lots of fuels....

tbh, I use unleaded in my Tornado, its fine.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but Shell V Power is not 102 Octane (it's 99 RON).

There is a premium BP fuel that is 102 Octane and only sold at certain filling stations. It's called BP Ultimate.

There is also a V Power Diesel fuel as well now.

I've ran all of my road bikes on boggo 95 RON fuel. 91 RON is the standard in Japan and it's only a ignition change on the EU bikes, so unless you're running a knock sensor/mapped for 98 RON there's no benefit aside from reduced weight due to your lighter wallet.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:23 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Shell V Power is not 102 Octane (it's 99 RON).

There is a premium BP fuel that is 102 Octane and only sold at certain filling stations. It's called BP Ultimate.

There is also a V Power Diesel fuel as well now.

I've ran all of my road bikes on boggo 95 RON fuel. 91 RON is the standard in Japan and it's only a ignition change on the EU bikes, so unless you're running a knock sensor/mapped for 98 RON there's no benefit aside from reduced weight due to your lighter wallet.


Stand corrected indeed!! Smile

I do know, that using UL in our old VXR, made a huge difference, major flat spots in the rev range. 119mph down Revit straight.

Super gave less flat spots, smoother delivery, but not perfectly smooth. 124mph

V-Power gave a complete smooth delivery throughout the entire rev range, 127mph (all speedo speeds).

We started off on V Power, moved to Super, then UL at the end of the day.

Astra was designed to run on V-Power (VXR).
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: New bike - Fail of epic proportions Reply with quote

ImNoSuperman wrote:
And why the hell is the shitty petrol called Premium?!


Because standard regular unleaded is 91 RON (difined under EN 228, the European standard for fuels), so 95 RON is premium fuel. But we don't get 91 RON unleaded in the UK (might be technically available but I have never seen or heard of anywhere selling it), and I think only a couple of European countries do sell it.

Big_Ham wrote:
There is a premium BP fuel that is 102 Octane and only sold at certain filling stations. It's called BP Ultimate.


Normal BP Ultimate is 97 RON. It is / was BP Ultimate 102 that was the even higher octane version.

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PostPosted: 16:27 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daimo wrote:

I do know, that using UL in our old VXR, made a huge difference, major flat spots in the rev range. 119mph down Revit straight.


Engine with a turbo?

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PostPosted: 16:39 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember that the 102Ron BP fuel was incredibly expensive, as in over £2/Litre.

I ran optimax/ V-power when I had my tuned Evo 8MR as it had been mapped for it. Running anything else caused det, especially when the air temp was cold.

I wouldn't run it on any vehicle unless it was turbocharged or mapped for it to be honest. Some people claim better MPG, but I think that they probably driver easier because in their head they want better MPG to justify the cost.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 30 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah turbocharged2.0 4 pot, designed to run on V-Power, but can run on less RON fuels with some slight side effects. (basically, you'd get two huge dips in power up the rev range, say 3000rpm, power would die off, then come back again by 4000rpm, then die off again at 5000rpm, but come back at 6k, and turbo power would die off not long after).

With V-power, no dips, just one consistant smooth delivery (well, i say smooth, the standard maps were not very good, too aggressive in 1st) throughout the entire rev range.



With regards to mpg above, i'd actually agree tbh. Fuel was less 4-5 years ago, putting v-power in wasn't as bad. There was deffo an increase in economy though, as when we filled up with V-power we'd drive it harder Wink But it produced very similar ranges between fillups. Considering at full boost, full throttle, it ran down to 6.9mpg in STANDARD guise, and we drove it much harder, there was deffo a fuel saving overall.
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