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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Bike has a mixture of different age parts.... Reply with quote

So my bike is a 2005 plate but since ordering a spark plug which doesnt fit ive learnt that the engine is from a 2003 model, confirmed by Suzuki.
Well since i came off the bike i ordered an indicator lens for an 04-05 GZ125, it came, it doesnt fit, because my bike takes a 2003 indicator lens.

It seems to me that either my bike was in a crash (hpi check didnt say so, never failed MOT for anything more sinister than a non working brake light) and a doner 2003 bike was used as parts to repair it. What other explaination could there be?

The bike itself runs fine, not had any problems really, but its more of an annoyance that im having to send parts back because they dont fit...
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My guess would be that the bike is a 2003 bike imported and sold a couple of years later.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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My guess would be that the bike is a 2003 bike imported and sold a couple of years later.

All the best

Keith


That is not the case because i rang Suzuki, gave them my reg plate and they quoted a different engine code to what was on the bike, so it has a different engine. I thought it had not been changed on the v5 but in actual fact it has, so someone must have fitted a 2003 engine and then changed the v5 accordingly, but it is not the factory engine on the bike, and the indicator lens is not right for the year either.
Colour, frame number and all other paperwork match correctly, so i am confused.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In which case check other things VERY carefully. Such as the chassis number (should be stamped on the head stock, although probably on a rivet on tin plate as well - in which case check all match). Not sure if Suzuki have stickers under the seat giving the year of the bike. Also if the original tyres are on (OK, unlikely by now) check for any date marks on those, same for the rubber brake lines.

While an engine change isn't that unusual and nor is swapping indicators, swapping both to be from a bike a couple of years earlier is ; with indicators if swapped they normally get changed for cheap and nasty mini ones.

As such I would be concerned that the bike is a nicked 2003 one that someone has passed on with the identity of a different legitimate bike.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In which case check other things VERY carefully. Such as the chassis number (should be stamped on the head stock, although probably on a rivet on tin plate as well - in which case check all match). Not sure if Suzuki have stickers under the seat giving the year of the bike. Also if the original tyres are on (OK, unlikely by now) check for any date marks on those, same for the rubber brake lines.

While an engine change isn't that unusual and nor is swapping indicators, swapping both to be from a bike a couple of years earlier is ; with indicators if swapped they normally get changed for cheap and nasty mini ones.

As such I would be concerned that the bike is a nicked 2003 one that someone has passed on with the identity of a different legitimate bike.

All the best

Keith


Well they didnt change the bike from 2001-2003, then changed some things from 2004-2005. The original tyres were on it but had reached illegal tread so changed them now, but i will check those other things. HPI check says it was never stolen though.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HPI can only check the details they are given, and if the identity is from a legitimate bike it is those details they check rather than a bikes real identity. Some theives might just transfer over the (pretty meaningless) tin plate, while some might restamp the actual frame, or just destroy the chassis number on the actual frame.

Used to be one of the major reasons to be wary of write offs wasn't for the damage they had sustained but that the identity of the write off was being used on a stolen bike. This way if an HPI type check was done it might come back as a write off but people would buy it as it looked immaculate (the actual written off bike having long ago landed up crushed).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HPI can only check the details they are given, and if the identity is from a legitimate bike it is those details they check rather than a bikes real identity. Some theives might just transfer over the (pretty meaningless) tin plate, while some might restamp the actual frame, or just destroy the chassis number on the actual frame.

Used to be one of the major reasons to be wary of write offs wasn't for the damage they had sustained but that the identity of the write off was being used on a stolen bike. This way if an HPI type check was done it might come back as a write off but people would buy it as it looked immaculate (the actual written off bike having long ago landed up crushed).

All the best

Keith

So in which case what should i do? The mileage from past MOTs matches my mileage, and the colour is correct as well.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, but panic.

Unrelated bits matching an older bike just sets the alarm bells ringing for me. I really do hope that there is nothing actually dubious. Hence check very carefully, and with chassis and engine numbers check for any sign that that have been obliterated or modified.

Legally if it is a ringer then the bike isn't yours (as it wasn't the previous owners to sell to you).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, but panic.

Unrelated bits matching an older bike just sets the alarm bells ringing for me. I really do hope that there is nothing actually dubious. Hence check very carefully, and with chassis and engine numbers check for any sign that that have been obliterated or modified.

Legally if it is a ringer then the bike isn't yours (as it wasn't the previous owners to sell to you).

All the best

Keith


Just checked and the seat is stamped with the date, 2005.
Also the actual frame number which is etched into the frame itself matches the frame number on the tin plate which is also on the frame, Suzuki confirmed the frame number is for the 2005 bike.
I guess this suggests that it could have been in a crash and a 2003 bike was used as a doner, as the frame itself and the seat are for the 2005 bike, if nothing else
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats good to hear. Could also just be that it blew the engine rather than was crashed and they bought a crashed bike for spares and liked the indicators.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats good to hear. Could also just be that it blew the engine rather than was crashed and they bought a crashed bike for spares and liked the indicators.

All the best

Keith


Yea, feel better now. Ive been so paranoid over that bike since i got it, probably because i took a massive risk in buying it to begin with as i had no one with me to check it over, all i did was check electrics, hear it, ride it in 1st and thats about it. All is good though Thumbs Up
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