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Alex_B
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Sorry guys, a quick Mod 2 question again.. Reply with quote

Yea, sorry Rolling Eyes

It's just I'm trying to do this cheap with no lessons so please bear with me.

1. If I'm on a roundabout and I'm taking the 2nd exit (before 12 O'clock or after, no matter) I **have** to indicate right until I pass the first turn off or, as I'm almost going straight on, I just wait to pass turn 1 then indicate left?

2. Just before I do take that turn off I quick lifesaver left then a right lifesaver or should it be just a left lifesaver?

3. If I want the 3rd exit (about 3 O'clock) on a 4 exit roundabout that has **4** lanes on the approach, would it be 3rd lane or 4th?

In the car I could obviously do either but what would the examiner want to see on the Mod 2 test, I reckon 3rd lane would be fine?

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Sorry guys, a quick Mod 2 question again.. Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:
1. If I'm on a roundabout and I'm taking the 2nd exit (before 12 O'clock or after, no matter) I **have** to indicate right until I pass the first turn off or as I'm almost going straight on I just wait to pass turn 1 then indicate left?


If you're going left or straight on (doesn't matter how many exits there are) then you never indicate right. For straight on, indicate left as soon as you pass the exit prior to yours.

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2. Just before I do take that turn off I quick lifesaver left then a right lifesaver or should it be just a left lifesaver?


You would usually be in the left hand lane (assuming a two-lane roundabout), so you do a right lifesaver. There can't be any traffic on your left.

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3. If I want the 3rd exit (about 3 O'clock) on a 4 exit roundabout that has **4** lanes on the approach, would it be 3rd lane or 4th?


Look at the road signs :-) If the 3rd exit is the last exit, then you'd usually want the rightmost lane. If there's a 4th exit past that then you probably want the 3rd lane. But this is an unusual design for a roundabout so I don't think there are any fixed rules.

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In the car I could obviously do either but what would the examiner want to see on the Mod 2 test, I reckon 3rd lane would be fine?


The examiner wants you to be in the left-most lane that's allowable for your exit. So if the exit is a dual carriageway, choose the lane that means you exit in the left lane.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did I do on my mod 2 a week ago? Um.....

1. If the 2nd exit was before 12 then I wouldn't indicate right. If after 12 I'd indicate right depending how far past 12 I expect. Where I did my test we don't really have many roundabouts like that.

2. I only did the left lifesaver and got no minors in that area.

3. I'd say road markings would come into play here. The last roundabout I went round on the way back to the test centre is this. I stayed in the 3rd lane as it was the best lane to get me into the lane I wanted to be in to go up the dual carriage way back to the test enter. I could have used the 4th lane with no problem but I'd have had to get into the lane I needed once I got onto the dual carriage way instead of having automatically in it coming off the roundabout. As long as its done correctly and safely either was fine for me.

Disclaimer. In no way do I know what I'm talking about on any subject.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Sorry guys, a quick Mod 2 question again.. Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:
Yea, sorry Rolling Eyes

It's just I'm trying to do this cheap with no lessons so please bear with me.

1. If I'm on a roundabout and I'm taking the 2nd exit (before 12 O'clock or after, no matter) I **have** to indicate right until I pass the first turn off or, as I'm almost going straight on, I just wait to pass turn 1 then indicate left?

No - If your exit is 12 o'clock or before then you do not indicate as you enter the roundabout but then you indicate left as you pass the exit before your turn, if it is past 12 o'clock then you indicate right.

2. Just before I do take that turn off I quick lifesaver left then a right lifesaver or should it be just a left lifesaver?

I got confused by what lifesavers they want but generally (and I am sure others will say the same thing) you look to where the danger is e.g. if there are two lanes on the exit then look to the right to make sure no-one is being stupid and filtering into your lane.

3. If I want the 3rd exit (about 3 O'clock) on a 4 exit roundabout that has **4** lanes on the approach, would it be 3rd lane or 4th?

Depends on the markings, you should be able to get yourself in lane by the time you do your module 2, they expect you to be looking at the "Get in lane" signs etc, in that situation it could be either the 3rd or 4th lane or both.

In the car I could obviously do either but what would the examiner want to see on the Mod 2 test, I reckon 3rd lane would be fine?

If you happened to take the 4th lane and that was also a right only lane then provided you exit the roundabout safely (take the right hand lane on exit) then you should be fine.

Cheers chaps! Thumbs Up
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Alex_B
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElliotReidMD wrote:
What did I do on my mod 2 a week ago? Um.....

Disclaimer. In no way do I know what I'm talking about on any subject.

Hope that helps.

Laughing Heh, love it!!!!

Pfff, well, I guess I should just go with the flow and take it as it comes.

Jesus, I've been driving more than 20 years but I want to ditch the 'L's so much Laughing I have done that dreaded 'reading to much into it' sorta thing, I know Wink

Cheers gents.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS: You might want to have a look at what the Highway Code says about roundabouts. It gives most of the common scenarios for lane choice and indicating.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Sorry guys, a quick Mod 2 question again.. Reply with quote

rtarnell wrote:
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2. Just before I do take that turn off I quick lifesaver left then a right lifesaver or should it be just a left lifesaver?


You would usually be in the left hand lane (assuming a two-lane roundabout), so you do a right lifesaver. There can't be any traffic on your left.


You need to check wherever you are about to move to... Some idiot may be trying to cut up to the left (you'll be in the centre of your lane), so you need to do a left lifesaver.

Good luck Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:38 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some training, you obviously have a bike so go to a school and pay the £60-£80 or whatever it is for an hours training.

In an hour with an instructor behind you in radio contact, you will learn more about your riding and how bad your bad habits actually are than you have done all year I imagine.

Try and scrape it together, do as much training as you can afford, trying to do it all on your own is quite often a false economy as people fail the first time, fail the second time and so on, even if you fail the first time and pass the next time, you will have spent more money than if you'd just paid for an hour with an instructor and passed first time.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Sorry guys, a quick Mod 2 question again.. Reply with quote

Frog wrote:
You need to check wherever you are about to move to... Some idiot may be trying to cut up to the left (you'll be in the centre of your lane), so you need to do a left lifesaver.


Absolutely. Why would you look right? What information would that give you?

I've been undertaken on a roundabout by a Lycra Loon cyclopath (downhill, in the wet, I hasten to add), you always look the direction that you're going.

What I would suggest is that you take rear observations on both sides before entering a roundabout, so that you know who's sharing it with you.

Oh, and I agree that you're right to not waste money on having some failed examiner / traffic copper shout in your ear for an hour. It's no more expensive to learn on the test, and you can't pass during a lesson.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, just trying to save a few bob Rog, as ya do Thumbs Up

One more then.

On the angled start (do they do this?) Like for instance, you're parked behind a car but your bike is facing the center line.

What are they expecting you to show from this? I would just indicate right and then pull away when clear I presume?
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I did this on my mod 2. All I did was demonstrate I could pull away safely round the parked vehicle indicating/observations where needed.

Didn't come up on my test, but my instructor told me if a vehicle is coming in the opposite direction, be careful as if the examiner deems it too close when you make the manoeuvre, you'll fail. Best to wait till its past. Saying that, it's difficult to quantify that distance and I'm glad it never happened on my test.
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Alex_B
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx Elliot,

So, lets get this straight, although on the angled start I'm effectively turning left (to rejoin the flow of traffic) it's a right indicator ? Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:
Thx Elliot,

So, lets get this straight, although on the angled start I'm effectively turning left (to rejoin the flow of traffic) it's a right indicator ? Laughing


Yup. Even though you're on an angle, you're effectively parked at the side of the road. You indicate right to show you're about to move rightward into the flow of traffic.

For me, it's check there's nothing coming either way, indicate right, then move out, but some instructors will tell you you don't need to indicate (you know there's nothing there, as you've just looked). Better to be safe than sorry tho Thumbs Up

Main thing to remember after obs is that you fail if you make another road user adjust speed or change course... If traffic either way is close enough that they may do this, you'll need to wait.
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Alex_B
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again everyone. I mean it.

I hope I can manage this at the first attempt but I guess the odds are against it without lessons.

Anyway, I will let you know how I go after the event which isn't to long aways now. Thumbs Up
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