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kramdra
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Bike locks Reply with quote
Wanting to get a more secure lock - that is more scure than being unlocked...

Considering it only needs two big blokes to lift a wheel off the ground and chuck it into a van, Im a bit sceptical of disc locks - but one could be used on center stand, I think then it would need 4 blokes to lift it away...

It does not take much to push my bike off the centerstand! So I like the idea of locking it. Probably needs a bit of fabrication on the stand tho... Honda CBR600F..


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PostPosted: 14:19 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a Kryptonite EVXL disk lock that I sometimes use as a padlock in the garage (when I remember), but I've found that it doesn't have enough clearance to use on all bikes. ie, it fitted the disks on the GPZ, but the Bandit disks have less space between the edge of the disk and the rim of the wheel.

I usually have a Motrax grenade disk lock for when I'm out and about, but I'm fully aware that it's only a minimal visual deterrant.

and I use an Almax Immobiliser and/or a huuuuge Squire chain and padlock in a brick built garage when I'm at home
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Bike locks Reply with quote
You could still lift the front even if the bike is on the centre stand. Not to mention it is more likely to get blown over by strong winds on the centre stand.

A thick chain and something to chain it to is the best solution by far.

If you have nothing to chain it to then far simpler than fabricating something to go on your centre stand (which is held on by one bolt I might add) is to use two disc locks.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have been scoping out this chain, looks like it could be as tough as an almax 3. A little cheaper too.

Also this lock.

This combo looks like it could be INDESTRUCTABLE when combined with my 10gal drum of concrete.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
nop wrote:
I have been scoping out this chain, looks like it could be as tough as an almax 3. A little cheaper too.

Also this lock.

This combo looks like it could be INDESTRUCTABLE when combined with my 10gal drum of concrete.




I'm not sold on the lock, but the chains are very popular.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
DonnyBrago wrote:
nop wrote:
I have been scoping out this chain, looks like it could be as tough as an almax 3. A little cheaper too.

Also this lock.

This combo looks like it could be INDESTRUCTABLE when combined with my 10gal drum of concrete.




I'm not sold on the lock, but the chains are very popular.


Really? Apparently it can take up to 8 tonnes of force to pull it apart.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks like you've decided already. 8 tonnes of force to pull apart is impressive but how would it stand up to impact? Angle grinder? Yes I know it is unrealistic for a thief to carry an angle grinder around but believe it or not it does happen sometimes. They also drive around in vans too and lift the bike up if its not chained to anything, dump it in the back and buhbye goes the bike.

Locks are a deterrent more than anything. Make the bike look like it will be a pain in the arse to steal and it will put most oppertunistic thieves off. Its the above mentioned professional van ones you have to watch out for and if they want it bad enough they'll have it.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
Looks like you've decided already. 8 tonnes of force to pull apart is impressive but how would it stand up to impact? Angle grinder? Yes I know it is unrealistic for a thief to carry an angle grinder around but believe it or not it does happen sometimes. They also drive around in vans too and lift the bike up if its not chained to anything, dump it in the back and buhbye goes the bike.

Locks are a deterrent more than anything. Make the bike look like it will be a pain in the arse to steal and it will put most oppertunistic thieves off. Its the above mentioned professional van ones you have to watch out for and if they want it bad enough they'll have it.


Did you miss the bit about 200KG concrete block?

I will have:

1. An alarm (cyclone v2 with secret backup battery).
2. 16mm un-croppable chain.
3. Attached to a 200KG concrete block.
4. Under a cover.
5. Alarmed disc lock.

Also considering GPS tracking (on the cheap).

Fairly secure no?

(all this for a 1984 XT600-43f, heh)
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bloody hell, if they were going to steal it for financial reasons they'll be cutting through the bike to steal the lock, chain and concrete.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I got my chain from Aldi for £10 and use it with a Yale padlock. Don't see the point of spending more than that. It takes just as much effort to cut though the £10 Aldi one, as any other chain that's more expensive.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
is this for went the bike is at home or went your out on it.

As went i am out on mine a only use a small d-lock through the sprocket as thats all the fits under my seat, and if someone wants the bike they will take no matter how many locks you have used. but when the bike is not being used and in the garage my dogs keep a eye on it (best alarm i ever had)

A few years back someone not far from me had his bike nicked from his garage. but to get the bike out they towed his bmw x5 out of the way.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
When I am out. Im looking for a good disk lock really.



I considered th lump of concrete garage thing. I would make it obscure with a recessed key hole, and lots of rebar. Also no access to wheel or lock, it would be big.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
ms51ves3 wrote:
I got my chain from Aldi for £10 and use it with a Yale padlock. Don't see the point of spending more than that. It takes just as much effort to cut though the £10 Aldi one, as any other chain that's more expensive.


That is a very naive attitude to security. An Aldi chain will be croppable in about 1 second. Also, a specialist security chain will last significantly longer than any crap you can buy from Aldi.

Clearly you have never had a bike stolen, never felt that sinking gut as you realise you bike is gone and some indolent piss bag has taken it.

As teflon-mike said in another thread, you spend money to save money. While a beefy, un-cuttable chain and lock may cost you over £100 it is a damn site cheaper than the amount your insurance premium will go up over the next 5 years for a claim.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
ms51ves3 wrote:
I got my chain from Aldi for £10 and use it with a Yale padlock. Don't see the point of spending more than that. It takes just as much effort to cut though the £10 Aldi one, as any other chain that's more expensive.


So you're saying that it's just as much effort to cut through an Almax 3 as it is an £10 aldi chain? Neutral
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
l'll just leave this here...
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Benson_JV wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
I got my chain from Aldi for £10 and use it with a Yale padlock. Don't see the point of spending more than that. It takes just as much effort to cut though the £10 Aldi one, as any other chain that's more expensive.


So you're saying that it's just as much effort to cut through an Almax 3 as it is an £10 aldi chain? Neutral


I think Almax's claims are dubious to be honest...

10 seconds through the Aldi chain, 60 through the Almax. Doesn't really make much difference.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 20 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
ms51ves3 wrote:
Benson_JV wrote:


So you're saying that it's just as much effort to cut through an Almax 3 as it is an £10 aldi chain? Neutral


I think Almax's claims are dubious to be honest...

10 seconds through the Aldi chain, 60 through the Almax. Doesn't really make much difference.

90, and with an angle grinder instead of a bolt cropper.

Almax could've lied to me i suppose, but prefer to listen to them than "Thatham/Sold Secure Gold" badges, which they've proved are worthless.

It's the difference between "might as well" and "nah, that bike isn't worth the risk". This works particularly well when combined with cheaper bikes, obviously a 20 grand bike is likely to be worth the chance...
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What are everyone's opinions of wall mounted ground anchors?

There is no solid concrete at my house for me to firmly attach a ground anchor to, however I have seen a few that specifically state they are wall mountable. My only concern is that bricks are nowhere near as tough as solid concrete.

Anybody have experience of doing this?

My thoughts are that it is better than nothing, an extra visual deterrent I suppose
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What are everyone's opinions of wall mounted ground anchors?

There is no solid concrete at my house for me to firmly attach a ground anchor to, however I have seen a few that specifically state they are wall mountable. My only concern is that bricks are nowhere near as tough as solid concrete.

Anybody have experience of doing this?

My thoughts are that it is better than nothing, an extra visual deterrent I suppose


Fill a bin with concrete and lock to that. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
CadillacMoon wrote:
What are everyone's opinions of wall mounted ground anchors?


My opinion is: if they're going to cut the chain it doesn't matter where the anchor is mounted (up a wall a bit might actually help keep the chain off the floor and so more difficult to smash); if they attack the anchor itself, it's going to make a lot of noise through my house Wink
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ingah wrote:
Almax could've lied to me i suppose, but prefer to listen to them than "Thatham/Sold Secure Gold" badges, which they've proved are worthless.


IIRC, Ride and Almax fell out when Ride claimed to have gone through one of their chains in short order. Remember Almax are mostly interested in selling their chains and so advertise and demonstrate in a way that shows their product in a good light.

Not saying it's not a good product, mind, but I'm not convinced it's worth the money and hassle (weight) - a cheaper (maybe not Aldi Wink ) chain will put off the amateur, the pro will take it whatever.

Rather than £200 on one single form of security, I spent a similar total on a layered approach: cover, alarmed disc lock and £100 chain and lock.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
defblade wrote:
IIRC, Ride and Almax fell out when Ride claimed to have gone through one of their chains in short order.

Did you read this in the magazine? Got a link?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 21 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
nop wrote:

Did you miss the bit about 200KG concrete block?

I will have:

1. An alarm (cyclone v2 with secret backup battery).
2. 16mm un-croppable chain.
3. Attached to a 200KG concrete block.
4. Under a cover.
5. Alarmed disc lock.

Also considering GPS tracking (on the cheap).

Fairly secure no?

(all this for a 1984 XT600-43f, heh)


Sweetie if they want to steal your bike with all that then they need their heads looked at. Personally I think its a little overkill but if your that paranoid about getting your bike stolen then go for it.

I take it you live in a country where bike theft is so bad that it makes our great nation look like honest citizens with all that security. Me I live in the second most densly populated place in the UK after inner London and has more population per sqkm than london does and my bike sits in the street with a chain around it and a disk lock and for the most part I dont bother with the chain and the bike hasnt been nicked yet and its worth more than yours.

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PostPosted: 00:12 - 22 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doug97 wrote:
defblade wrote:
IIRC, Ride and Almax fell out when Ride claimed to have gone through one of their chains in short order.

Did you read this in the magazine? Got a link?


Quick google suggests I don't remember entirely correctly, seems like MCN upset them more, also by breaking their chains. The ones Ride got were a "prototype bad batch".

The very physical properties that let the almax chains resist the cutters leaves them, for example, vunerable to fracture when hit with a large hammer....

Nothing is unbreakable Sad

But then look at which test of strength almax promote.

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad product, but the company is very selective in the test they promote with and also constantly diss other people's products... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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