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DaveS Nitrous Nuisance
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Posted: 17:47 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: New rider question- Traffic |
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I took my CBT on sunday and am now looking for a bike.
The course was quite good and I feel confident enough to ride on the road now, however the course did not cover traffic.
On the road riding part we were always told to stay in the centre of the road and 'take command of the lane', and the same seemed to apply in traffic.
I am curious as to whether it is legal to filter through traffic and if so how to do it, for example where to place yourself at the front of the queue? Can you cross the white line or do you have to stay on the right of the car and race it off the lights?
How do you split traffic if you cant get to the front?
Sorry to experienced riders as i'm sure this is a silly question
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McJamweasel BCF Junkie
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G The Voice of Reason
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Posted: 19:13 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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If you are going around the outside of traffic then it's just overtaking. Of course if there's traffic coming the other way then it starts to get a bit dodgy.
Technically I believe traffic going under 10mph or something is considered to be 'parked' so you can filter through it ok
I never used to filter when I first got a bike because there wasn't really anywhere that required it (no dual lane roads in deep dark Essex :-\).. and it was only a cg125 .
Got to the point I was doing it a lot, but you do need to be very careful and make sure you know as best as possible what every car is going to do etc.
After a bit of a 'reality' I tend to not filter above motorway limits now .
I tend to pull in front of cars at junctions... this means other bikes have space to get out. While it's not a prob if you're the only bike there, it's not so nice with a bike behind you: they need to get ahead of the traffic as well, but don't know how fast you're going to pull away and don't want to get stuck between two cars.
It is technically illegal, but a police-person would have to be in a really bad mood to do you for it.
beware also that I believe there is a legal precedent set that means that the blame will be split 50/50 in cases where a bike is filtering: this often is true when the biker is not at fault at all as well. |
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ZaphodBeeble World Chat Champion
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Posted: 22:02 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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Another thing about overtaking and filtering is when there are double solid lines, ie. no overtaking allowed. You can legally overtake something in this case if the vehicle is going 15mph or less. I was told this by my CBT instructor who was a bike copper. He also told me that it was completely legal to filter. ____________________ Current bike: VTR1000F Firestorm. Previous: Firestorm (written off) - XJ600 Divvy - NSR125 - DT125 and a load of offroaders. |
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CBRPaul Derestricted Danger
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Posted: 22:15 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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these are the words from a Judge in a case where a biker was knocked off while filtering :
"by riding your motorcycle in between traffic , you are creating a 3rd lane , it is your responsibilty to be aware and take the action needed to guard against any other road users from entering that lane you created ."
Its a very very grey area guys , and to be honest the law is not on the motorcyclists side by any means
oh dont even think about how you would stand if a person steps out infront of you and you hit them , ____________________ HONDA CBR600 F W |
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ZaphodBeeble World Chat Champion
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Posted: 22:30 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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Yeah my instructor did say that you should be VERY aware at all times but this has been covered by carvell, McJam and G. ____________________ Current bike: VTR1000F Firestorm. Previous: Firestorm (written off) - XJ600 Divvy - NSR125 - DT125 and a load of offroaders. |
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DaveS Nitrous Nuisance
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Posted: 22:32 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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Didn't realise it was such a big issue! Thought i'd get a reply like
"yeah you can filter.. its fine"
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Sparks! Sir Tart-a-lot
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Posted: 23:40 - 16 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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I tend to ride down center of the lanes and get just in front of the first car and to it's side then leave it off the lights relatively quicker than the car.
What really gets me, is 8/10 twats in this situation try to race me off the lights? But the thing is I park myself just by their wing so if I don't floor it then they'll knock me off.
I don't understand why people do it?
How stupid can some people be though? Jealous of a bike getting in front of them and the bike will always leave the line so quickly that it won't slow the car down anyway, yet they still attempt dangerous attempts at getting away from the lights before you, despite you being in front of them.
Just take it easy and keep your eyes open. It's nice to follow other bikes if they are filtering too as it gives you an idea of what you should and shouldn't do etc (obviously not neccesarily the correct way, but it's a confidence booster anyway I find)
Plan well ahead too so you can be in position ready to filter safely, smoothly and quickly. Keep an eye for lights changing which can sometimes leave you in a dodgy position trying to get back into traffic. ____________________ Current Toys: 06 Yamaha WR250F | Nissan 350Z GT | Tech 4 Homes |
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AcIdBuRnZ World Chat Champion
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Posted: 04:33 - 17 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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AFAIK, as long as it is safe to do so, that you are riding safely and in a controlled manner, then filtering is fine. eg. doing 70+ past a traffic queue would more then likely be seen as dangerous driving.
My instructor says its best to filter only when there are 2 or 3 cars infront of you, as this way you can see right to the front of the queue, and there is more chance of the car driver's spotting you.
However, if you are late for work, then that's another matter entirely
Mark ____________________ Past: Honda NSR125R >> Kawasaki ER-5a2 >> Kawasaki ZZR-600e1 >> Suzuki GSXR-750Y >> Honda VTR 1000 Firestorm
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Milo World Chat Champion
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Posted: 09:04 - 17 Mar 2004 Post subject: |
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It's legal to filter but you may find it's confusing with all the very valid points being mentioned above.
You could take the other approach and sit with the traffic and watch out other bikes and cars and see how they behave in traffic. Do this until you feel confident enough yourself and when you do, be sure you're not going to have to embarrassingly switch to reserve in front of a queue of traffic!
This way you'll see for yourself rather than having your head filled with all of the above. Biking isn't meant to be stressful or confusing and after a while it will all become first nature so you won't think about it.
Don't do what most mopeds do though, as I've found the majority are dangerous in the traffic and make filtering more dangerous for you. This is only my opinion, and it's definitely true for my journey to work.
Good luck with it all and welcome to one-wheeled fun!
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dainesefreak World Chat Champion
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Dave - After reading the other posts you'll obviously see that most riders filter on a daily basis. IMO, as you are new to the riding thing I would suggest you wait and get some road sense and road craft under your belt first. It can be one of the fastest ways to wreck your bike and end up in hospital if it all goes wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that bikers shouldn't filter, I filter every day. I'm just saying that as a new rider I would take it easy for a while first. |
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Major_Grooves The Doctor
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I'm interested to know if you can cross the double solid lines to overtake a line of stationary (queueing) traffic. I mentioned in another thread that I take a short cut through a closed road each day. This is to avoid a long road which always has queues on it and is double solid lines all the way. The couple of times I have been forced to use it I have had to sit in traffic with the cars while the road is clear on the other side.
T.C. - can you clear this up? ____________________ About me|@Major_Grooves|My company|Digg|Flickr |
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Ste Not Work Safe
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Major_Grooves The Doctor
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 20 years, 46 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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