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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: First off :(.... *Now with pics* Reply with quote

Only been riding about 3 weeks as well.
Approaching a roundabout at the end of a dual carriageway, enter the roundabout, as i lean as i go around it, the bike just slips from underneath me. Fall on my right side, let go of the bike, i was going so slow that as soon as i realized what i happened i quickly hit the kill switch, thats how close the bike was to me.
Couldnt have been doing more than 15mph, i have no idea how it happened.

Knocked my confidence a lot because when it slid i just remember thinking 'what the fuck, how is that even possible?'

Still have no idea, road looked ok i couldnt see any oil, all i can think is i leaned too much for the speed i was doing, but ive done that roundabout a few times now and always take it at the same speed and level of steering...

Damage to the bike is more than expected. Broken indicator cover, carb leaking petrol all the time, massive long graze all down my chrome exhaust, totally ruining the look of it. Bent handlebars and grazes on the brake lever and brake fluid chamber.

The exhaust is the worst part for me, totally gutted!

Damage to me is minimal, had my kevlar jeans on, grazed knee the size of a 5p with some fairly heavy bruising. Tiny hole in my new kevlar jeans, helmet never hit the floor and jacket is ok.

Overall not happy Thumbs Down


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PostPosted: 15:03 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I'm going slow I prefer to turn the steering rather than lean. I've come off twice by leaning only slightly (like you, I still can't understand it completely,) the first time I hit a drain cover at a junction, which took my back wheel from under me. The second time I have no clue, exact same junction, coming the opposite way though. There was diesel all over the place that day in blobs, which made it impossible to avoid it all. Also, there was a tiny drain cover (the hand sized square ones,) that I may have rode over, which I can only assume my wheel slipped on. Baffles me. At least you're okay!
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am gutted for you..... but at least you live to tell the tale hey. Get back on the road as soon as you can, try not to let it knock your confidence too mcuh. Do you think there may have been a little poor judgement of speed/approach to the roundabout being a new rider? I'm also a new rider, and often hesitate about my speed, I slow down far too much for corners and bends even now - when on rides with my friends I can see that the bike is clearly more than capable of going round these bends a lot faster than I do. It'll all happen in time I guess........
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, at least you're okay!
The carb leaking could be a bit of dislodged muck stopping the float(s) closing properly.
Depending on how bad the graze on the exhaust is, a high speed buffing wheel may polish it back up, then you just need something to protect it from rusting... (wax polish may do the trick, depending on how hot the chromed part gets...)
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think i misjudged speed or anything, as said ive done that and other roundabouts and bends a lot. Not been riding a long time but i didnt just suddenly change my riding style for that roundabout. I just dont get it, it really has me worried to go back on it to be honest, it seems so unsafe.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
I just dont get it, it really has me worried to go back on it to be honest, it seems so unsafe.


That's the little demon on the shoulder talking mate. It's part of the game I'm afraid.

You could get back on and ride for years without another off or it could happen next week.

Sorry you had an off mate, I don't like to see anyone hurt and at least it's mainly just your pride. You'll be fine and you will miss it if you let yourself stop now Thumbs Up

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I will add I don't want to sound unsympathetic, I'm sure we all feel the same to some extent.
My first 'off' was at 5 mph, on a bend engine cut (no fuel) and it just dropped. I cut my shins on the footrests and it hurt Laughing but minimal damage.

I know why it happened though and I make sure I always have plenty of juice in the tank now.
If the bike is rideable I would urge you to go round the block a couple times tomorrow, forget roundabouts for a couple days Wink

Good luck matey, don't let it get to you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not rideable as the carb is leaking, Tef is coming over to help me with it next week so im not riding it until then :/ not had much luck with the bike or biking in general so far.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wish there was an explanation to why it dropped. Because if i dont know why, it could happen again at 50+ and then its funeral time. :/
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
I just wish there was an explanation to why it dropped. Because if i dont know why, it could happen again at 50+ and then its funeral time. :/


There will be an explanation for it, you just can't see it. Speed, leaning, surface, gravity, traction, whatever. Riding is dangerous, period. I assume you took this up knowing you could be hurt, or even killed doing it. Falling off is inevitable if you're starting out, and highly likely at some point when you're all passed and comfortable with your abilities. You just have to accept that there was a factor at that moment that caused you to come off, get up and get back on it. The longer you leave it, the harder it is to get back on.

I've come off 3 times already. Twice in slow moving turns and once while practising for my emergency stop on a car park. Each time, the first thing I did was get the bike upright and get on it without giving too much thought to what had happened. You can't change the past, but you can learn from it. You'll be riding in a couple of days and it'll click, you'll recall something that may have caused it. It'll put your mind at ease, and you'll be more wary of whatever it was.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

try not to dwell on it, will only make it worse. over thinking will just make you come off again.
Stop getting obsessed about it, it could have been a million things.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess ill just have to put it in neutral and walk the bike across that roundabout then, i dont get it, i did everything normal.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let it get you down and try not to dwell on it too much. There are any number of reasons that could have caused it. The main thing is you are ok. The bike can be fixed. Get back on it as soon as you can and just keep riding. We all come off sooner or later. It's just the nature of the beast.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A young lady that I know came off her bike under similar circumstances.She could not understand the reason and asked me to look over her bike.What we did find was that both of the tyres were quite a bit under inflated.Added to that they were the original jap tyres,which made the bike a bit skittish in the wet.So we replaced the OEM tyres with some Avons and she was amazed with the differance.From then onwards she made the chore of checking the tyre pressures less of a chore and did them once a week from then onwards.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right will check tyre pressures and see if they match haynes manual, they are both brand new tyres pretty much.

Is it a no go to bend handlebars back? Its just GZ125 handlebars are 40ish...
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre pressures will depend on the tyre manufactureres spec rather than what Haynes will say.If you have Dunrops,they may well be differant to what Bridgestone might specify for theirs.

Steel handlebars like these https://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/564410/Bars-And-Footrests/Universal-bars/Economy are best replaced if bent too far out of shape.Sometimes,if you try to bend them back they crease and will snap off at an inopportune moment.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Right will check tyre pressures and see if they match haynes manual, they are both brand new tyres pretty much.

Is it a no go to bend handlebars back? Its just GZ125 handlebars are 40ish...


Get down the local bike breakers (Teflon-Mike will undoubtedly know where it is). They will almost always have some suitable handlebars. I wouldn't buy new ones unless you really had too. As for tyre pressure I'd get into the habit of checking them regularly. I check mine every other time I fill up with petrol (sometimes more regularly than that). I use the machine at the petrol station it only costs 20p a time at Tesco.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let it knock your confidence mate, that's the most important thing out of all of this; I had an unfortunate start to biking too.

I passed my CBT on my birthday and then had to go without riding for about a week or so while I found/got a bike. Got the CBR and went out of the first time ever on my own to McDonalds to go see this girl I liked. There's me going down the A47 at night when I figured the roads were empty and decided "hey, it'll be a great idea to move to the right hand lane without checking my blind-spot!" That was nearly my first accident, but thankfully not due to the observant driver. Well that completely shat me up.
I continue riding when all of a sudden I'm in about 3rd/4th gear at 11k revs doing only 20mph! I'm like "oh no, please please please don't be broken," well I look down at the fuel gauge after I've pulled over. Empty. I'm then pushing my lovely bike half a mile down to the petrol station - where I've only got a fiver. I'm there trying to fill up when I get the voice over the intercom telling me how to use the pump because I couldn't get it working. Embarassed
With a fiver fuel in my tank I then head over to Maccy D's to see the friend, but obviously I've now got no cash to buy anything with - and I've already lost a whole bunch of time. Well, I got to see her for about 10 minutes before she had to go.

So I head home taking this eventful night under my belt. Next day I'm heading off to college - I'm so excited about getting on the bike I (thankfully) forgot my bag with my laptop in. I'm only 5 minutes down the road when I come to the M69 roundabout. Well, somehow I got fixated on the kerb and I just went straight into it; rather than leaning into the corner I just applied my brakes. I just came straight off the bike hitting into it. Snapped off the FR indicator and bent the gear-lever into an unusable position. Looks like I'm pushing the bike another mile home.

tl;dr

After that I was just completely scared of riding to college. Especially as I'd have to be using the M69 roundabout everyday and the (very busy) A5 one too.

But after a bit more experience I'm now more confident - and passed Mod2 last Thursday with no lessons Very Happy

I guess I'm just trying to say chin up and don't worry about coming off. As for how it happened, perhaps you were going slower than you imagined, or you touched the front brake?
At slow speeds a bike doesn't really have the momentum it needs to stay upright, so leaning to the side will make you fall off. Like wise if you apply the front brake (because of the angle of the front wheel) it can upset the bike's balance and make you come off.

Good luck fixing the bike, hopefully you're back on the road soon! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breakers these days it will probably cost more than that £20 handlebar in the link...
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that checking tyre pressures and condition is something that should be done as regularly as possible.I check the pressures just before I am due to ride any of my bikes because then I know in the back of my mind that they are correct.But I would not necessarily trust the gauge on a petrol station forecourt as they are mis-handled by all and sundry - and because tyres pressures ought to be adjusted when they are cold.I use both a pencil and a digital type gauge.The digital Michelin one from Halfords is stated to be accurate to +/- 0.5 psi and I check the pencil one against this and they are on a par.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Right will check tyre pressures and see if they match haynes manual, they are both brand new tyres pretty much.

Is it a no go to bend handlebars back? Its just GZ125 handlebars are 40ish...


May as well get some Renthals for that much; they come in tasteful grey and silver as well as the anodised shite and are much stronger if you should crash again, acting as an extra crash bung Wink
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bent swingarm? Slack chain?

Actually, check your wheel alignment.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Bent swingarm? Slack chain?

Actually, check your wheel alignment.


All of those things are good.
It was all over so quick, but from what i can remember, i think what i might have done was countersteered VERY slightly too much for the speed i was going, i was going roughly 'that speed' where using the handlebars to turn changes into countersteering if that makes sense.

But i never made any sharp movements, and i remember i wasnt leaning anymore than like /, just the normal amount of lean for a small roundabout, then it just slips underneath me, the bike when it was all over was facing between the road ahead and the roundabout, so a diagonal position, which i guess shows that the back end barely slipped before the front end went down as well, if that makes sense.

Wont let it stop me, i think it will make me go half the speed i normally go for a while though.

Injury wise, it hurts to walk, but nothing broken, tiny tear in the jeans but didnt tear the kevlar underneath.

Also about those Renthals, used the 'fit my bike' option on the website and they dont even have my model, selected the 800 Marauder and they dont have any for that either.
I want some cruiser shaped handlebars or it will just look odd, i think ill have problems selling it on when i pass as well, how do you explain a huge graze on your shiney exhaust?

Training delayed yet another week, things seem to be stopping me every week...
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do know it's normal for fuel to leak out of the carb when it's tipped on its side right?

If it's still leaking out, there aren't tooc many things it could be unless the arb was directly subjected to an impact (in which case, the carb is probably the least of your worries).

If it's still leaking from the overflow, chances are the floats are stuck. They can often be freed off by giving the float bowl a few sharp taps with a bit of wood (you'll now if it worked because petrol will stop coming out).

The road surface sometimes gets really greasy if it rains after a dry spell and caution is advisable, not sure what the weather has been like with you? Shifting your weight off to one side of the bike more in poor grip situations allows you to keep the bike more upright through corners for a given speed.

Perhaps you're trying too hard to make the bike lean over and upset things on a surface with reduced grip? Look at where you want to go and you'll steer there, the leaning over happens by itself as a natural reaction to all the other forces on the bike and you shouldn't really notice it if you're doing a smooth, balanced turn. I've looked round while cornering and been startled by how far my bike is leaning over on a few occasions.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You do know it's normal for fuel to leak out of the carb when it's tipped on its side right?

If it's still leaking out, there aren't tooc many things it could be unless the arb was directly subjected to an impact (in which case, the carb is probably the least of your worries).

If it's still leaking from the overflow, chances are the floats are stuck. They can often be freed off by giving the float bowl a few sharp taps with a bit of wood (you'll now if it worked because petrol will stop coming out).

The road surface sometimes gets really greasy if it rains after a dry spell and caution is advisable, not sure what the weather has been like with you? Shifting your weight off to one side of the bike more in poor grip situations allows you to keep the bike more upright through corners for a given speed.

Perhaps you're trying too hard to make the bike lean over and upset things on a surface with reduced grip? Look at where you want to go and you'll steer there, the leaning over happens by itself as a natural reaction to all the other forces on the bike and you shouldn't really notice it if you're doing a smooth, balanced turn. I've looked round while cornering and been startled by how far my bike is leaning over on a few occasions.


I think the floats are stuck. The engine ran fine, after revving it to clear the flooding, and fuel stops dripping out, or slows down if i rev it, but i have tapped it and its still dripping.
Carb off job, as i dont have any room to undo the screws at the bottom.
It has rained here as well, it did last night and slightly today.
Rang my local mechanic and told him what had happened, he said he had to pick a girl up last week who came off in a similar situation. Says when it hasnt rained in a while then it suddenly does, it brings all the crap up onto the road surface.
I really wasnt leaning much but then it is a 125kg cruiser, with new tyres which should really have bedded in by now, done about 150 miles on them.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my first off when I was doing my training. Was doing the slalom and balance wasn't quite right, I put my foot down and then for some really stupid reason I touched the front break Embarassed now that's why they tell you never to touch that when you are going round a corner lol. It spat me off the bike, trapping my arm though. Took 8 weeks for the arm to heal but I kept riding - yes it is dangerous, yes you can fall off and 9 times out of 10 you will do something that adds to the odds of an off. But hey you are okay, and your bike can be fixed.

Now get yer bum back on the bike - and look at the likes of Marco Simoncelli and Joanthan Rea for example. They fall, they get back on and they keep grinning Thumbs Up
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