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This isn't a serious question. You find a cheap bike and buy it if it looks like a bargain. If you set criteria on what you're looking for then you'll still be searching when the sun gutters out. It might get a bit nippy, you'll need heated grips.
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| Posted: 11:07 - 07 Nov 2011 Post subject: Re: Making a custom project what bike ? |
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Your plan is likely to end up costing you more than getting a bike that only needs a few little jobs doing - so don't go fooling yourself into thinking it's a way to save money  .
However, I'd go for a sports 600 - this way you will hopefully end up with a better specced bike than a stock factory naked 600. |
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You want to buy a wrecked bike, un-wreck it a bit, then not ride it?
| OP wrote: | get a damaged bike like cat c and make it into a naked bike |
I really have no idea what you're trying to achieve, or why.
If it's literally what you wrote, then buy the cheapest bike you can find and take the plastics off.
If it's to learn motorcycle maintenance, buy the cheapest bike you can find and strip it down.
If it's customisation, buy the cheapest bike you can find and build it up.
If it's just to rub yourself off against a bike, buy the cheapest bike you can find and close the curtains.
If you drip feed information, don't be surprised if you get more questions than answers.
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Well here is a more detailed version
I want do the following
1. Buy a Cat C bike only body work damage
2. Strip it down
3. Clean it fix any major problems
4. Respray the frame
Thats the main sort of idea I have. I am not worried about the cc it could be a 400cc or a 1200cc that is not bothering me too much. The general idea is to buy the bike for what about £600 and spend as little as possible.
I am not saving up for a proper road bike yet as I my girlfriend drives and car insurance isnt the cheapest thing going so I dont need bike insurance on top of that not just yet anyway.
Sorry for the lack of information just not used the forum yet.
Thanks
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| pop_the_clutch wrote: | Well here is a more detailed version
I want do the following
1. Buy a Cat C bike only body work damage
2. Strip it down
3. Clean it fix any major problems
4. Respray the frame
Thats the main sort of idea I have. I am not worried about the cc it could be a 400cc or a 1200cc that is not bothering me too much. The general idea is to buy the bike for what about £600 and spend as little as possible.
I am not saving up for a proper road bike yet as I my girlfriend drives and car insurance isnt the cheapest thing going so I dont need bike insurance on top of that not just yet anyway.
Sorry for the lack of information just not used the forum yet.
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Don't respray the frame... you'll ruin it.
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| Posted: 22:54 - 07 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
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https://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/Custom/gsf600-streetfighter.jpg
Something along them lines.
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| pop_the_clutch wrote: | Im not trying to save money ... |
OK....
| pop_the_clutch wrote: | I am not saving up for a proper road bike yet as I my girlfriend drives and car insurance isnt the cheapest thing going so I dont need bike insurance on top of that not just yet anyway. |
Curiouse, first statement implies money no object, second statement implies actually money is a very REAL object... you dont have none; you cant afford to save, and err, you are paying your g/f's car insurance, or she's paying for you to be on hers....
All rather ambigiouse....
| pop_the_clutch wrote: | I dont want to insure it |
Nope, none of us do, government licenced extortion racket, but we must bear it....
I hope there isn't a 'hint' in there that you itend riding it on the road, using the 'any vehicle with owners concent' extension provided by another policy, your G/F's car insurance for instance.... machine itself STILL has to be insured in its own right, and if you are the owner, wont wash.... check small print!
| pop_the_clutch wrote: | I want something to do until i can afford a decent bike. |
another ambiguiouse 'hint' at lack of money..... meanwhile, you DONT have the money for a 'decent' bike, so you think that getting a damage repariable, is a good way to spend time, AND WHAT.... sell for a profit to help fund a 'decent bike'?
If so Hold the phone RIGHT there, becouse pretty damn good bet you will NOT make money buying a bike and botching it to some kind of MOTable condition and find a seller willing to give you MORE money that you have spent....
Folk that would accept a low rent 'street-fighter' even a well done street-fighter custom, will either want 'cheap' in which case they will go buy anbother crash repairable and DIY and save whatever profit YOU might hope to make, or they will want something stunning to look at, yours on low budget is unlikely to be, or to make look blinging, costs more than they'll give you, and in either case, risk its they way THEY would want a 'Custom' they are as likely to be inclined to DIY as not anyway.
If you want a 'custom' project, you build the bike YOU want, they way YOU want it, and sof the cost.
If you ant a 'profit making' project; they you do something that some-one ELSE will want to buy, and most people want 'standard' bikes, a known quantity, looks like the pictures in the magazines, and in as good a standard condition as they can get for as little money as possible....
Its a tough remit to work within, and in the sub-grand price range, you do NOT find decent 'donor' bikes that will scrub up and sell for much profit for negligible effort or cost.... and if you DO, they tend to get snapped up, and its not a quateion of going looking for a model, but knowing the entire market, and whats worth what, and being able, to react fast to get to view and make sure that it IS a bike that has pottential and ISN'T going to have so many minor faults hidden in its workings it turns out to be a pig in a poke....
Few people make money fixing up old bikes. And those that do, have a lot of advantages to help them, apart from lots of biking know-how, and market savvy, the average ametier does not...
If you want something to do; read a book, play a computer game; have sex, clean the house; dig the garden. All far less frought with hassle and financial risk than mucking about with old motorbikes!
Apart perhaps from sex.... that can cause a LOT of hassle, and have HUGE financial implications.... if precautions aren't taken or go wrong.... but still.... as ways to waste time go.... its a a lot more fun than wrestling with stubborn nuts and bolts, and greazing knuckles on lugs and brackets!
A notion to 'build a street-fighter' does not a project make, and without a much clearer idea of what you actually want to achieve, why, how, and for what money, you are, I'm pretty sure on a high road to no-where....
BACK to the drawing board and come back when you have a better idea of what you are about; and start by asking if you want to make a motorbike to enjoy and ride, or MONEY to buy something completely different.... two ambitions are very hard to reconsile.... second very hard...full-stop.
Pic of your inspiration, looks like Generic Bandit, with R1 Sub-frame VFR swing arm, and ubiquiteouse dominator headlamp.
There will have been a LOT more gone into that build, by way of complex and possibly expensive metal fabrication than simply taking it to bits chuking some paint at stuff, and getting an R1 GPR copy tail and drilling holes in it to suit the bandit frame!
And, while it appears moderately well executed, and it may sell on open market for something slightly more than standard bandit, likely to still sell for less than the sum cost of its components, and not as easily... as more lots of potential buyers will either think 'Yeah, but I could do Better' or they would think "All those Mods! I wonder what that would do to my insurance!? Wouldn't it need VOSA inspection for the frame chop?" while others will simply think; "Oh yeah! Another cliche'd Bandit-Fighter, with R1 tail.... yawn', and probably HALF the pottential customers for the bike you started with will not even take a second glance at the advert, let alone get to the place they are beating each other up trying to get to the front of the queue with the biggest wad of cash in thier hands!
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| Posted: 23:21 - 07 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
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| pop_the_clutch wrote: | Did I say I wanted that exact bike ?
No
So yeah sit there and say its crap all day bit childish to be honest.
Anyway no I want something like ... that pic was the only one I could find that wasnt in mint condition on google images.
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Not really, its illustrating the point; factories build standard bikes, and they build them that way to appeal to the biggest number of people likely to give them good money for them, becouse THEY are in the business of building bikes they ent going to ride, purely for proffit.
The appeal of the 'custom' is frequently only to the person that builds it, and possibly a very few others with similar taste and aspirations.... but essentially its built for a market of ONE
And Blue's comments about that bike are along the same lines as mine; its a cliche'd 'special' that isn't all that 'special', and pottentially a real liability to own, I would NOT pay good money for, certaionly money over and above a decent condition standard model.
Showing that when you step into the margins of 'specialist appeal', you limit your market, and by limiting market, potential for profit.
IF thats what you are about.
IF that's your idea of a dream bike, and you want to build it, fuck the cost, to please only YOU and it succeeds in that... fair play, who gives a shit what eny-one else thinks, its your money, your ideas, your 'Special'.... but pic isn't yours its some-one elses, and your idea is not to build your 'dream' bike, but mimick some-one elses dream, and hope to sell it to some-one else again, by the sounds of it, for profit!
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| pop_the_clutch wrote: | Anyone don't worry about the bike obviously you lot like making new comers feel stupid. I was only asking a bit for bit of advice and you have wrote me a essay accusing me of something that I haven't even done and I don't plan on doing. |
You come on here, ask a vague and ambigiouse question, provide no parameters to suggest you have anything even REMOTELY like a 'plan'.... some anomolouse suggestions about ideas you have, some vague references to finances and situation, and reasons, and then, as WE try and untangle it and give you the advice you ask for, you call US 'unwelcoming' 
OK, I'll try again... street-fighter..... go buy a GSXR1100..... preferably an early oil cooled slab-sider.....
You'll then want the single sided swing arm from a front ended speed-triple or VFR, a pair of dominator lights from the M&P catalogue, where you can also get the obligatory colour anodised Renthal copy bars, and the bar clamps to replace the clip-ons.
Subframe you will have to grind off, and replace with a heavier steel fabrication to put an aftermarket GRP R1 copy tail unit over, then you can paint and dress with anodised or stanless screws, flourescant braided oil and brake lines, stubby can and such to suit your taste....
Oh, you'll also want later USD forks and three spoke wheels, from anything 'suitable'
So, Slab-Side oil boiler, Gixer-Eleven... *
BUT, I still think you would be better of getting a good idea first!
AND adjusting attitude; we are NOT idiots or hostile JUST becouse you dont like the advice offered. We are NOT wrong becouse we dont understand your vague ramblings.......
*(He says lighting Blue's touch paper  )
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| Posted: 00:26 - 08 Nov 2011 Post subject: |
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Im sorry for over re-acting to your comments I am not used to the whole forum thing at the moment.
Okay when I said I wanted like a damaged bike etc this is what I meant.
I wanted a damaged bike so I could learn how to strip a big bike as I have worked on mopeds 125 pit bikes but never a full size bike. Then if everything went smooth after me getting the hang of that to maybe just try out different ideas or suggestions people have on what to do to it. That way if I take it apart and cant put it all back together again I dont have to worry about not getting to work in the morning because my bike is in pieces on my floor
Thats the general idea I have in my head hence why I wanted a bodywork damaged bike and I didnt mind what it was because I wouldnt be riding it anywhere. Well not unless I fell in love with it ... but at the moment I only have eyes for one bike only 
Thanks and sorry again for coming across rude and abrupt to everyone.
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