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PostPosted: 17:37 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: If a war broke out in the UK.... Reply with quote
Like another WWII for example.

Do you think the British would make electric power and biofuelled tanks, etc?

Just a thought.



**The reason for this thought was; that I am currently watching something on WWII on TV and seen some footage of millions of Russian tanks all lined up and ready to go to war, and thought they would use a shitload of fuel.

However the UK seem to think they can save the world by charging over the odds for fuel (so we use less of it) while other counties dont bother their arse about conserving oil.

Which got me thinking, surely the time and effort required to make all these alternative fuels (not petrol or diesel) and the fact that everything was used (scrap matals, etc) during the war. Would ths be something the government would consider if war broke out?

Or would they say 'fuck it - all the crap wee have been preaching about carbon footprints, etc; lets all forget about it and lets win this fucking war'?
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

They would abandon the ideas pretty quick.

Also, I suspect if it was a very serious war any idea about not using banned weapons (ie, land mines) would also rapidly go out of the window.

That said:-

https://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=12027

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PostPosted: 17:47 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
We would never have a war in the traditional sense like WWI and WWII so your question is invalid.

There is no way any country would be able to successfully land an invasion force on our beaches without us knowing beforehand that they were coming and we would stop them before they landed.

When we are overseas fighting wars e.g. Iraq and Afghan, I have no idea but can't imagine them changing battle strategies and not using certain equipment because they use diesel. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We would never have a war in the traditional sense like WWI and WWII so your question is invalid.

There is no way any country would be able to successfully land an invasion force on our beaches without us knowing beforehand that they were coming and we would stop them before they land.


What about Poland, Lithuania,etc, Eastern Europe in general ?

They have already started the invasion and are mingling with our society just waiting patiently on the call coming through. Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gazz wrote:
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We would never have a war in the traditional sense like WWI and WWII so your question is invalid.

There is no way any country would be able to successfully land an invasion force on our beaches without us knowing beforehand that they were coming and we would stop them before they land.


What about Poland, Lithuania,etc, Eastern Europe in general ?

They have already started the invasion and are mingling with our society just waiting patiently on the call coming through. Shocked


How is that anyway like WWI or WWII?

As Kickstart said, it proper full scale war happened, survival of the country is priority, not greenhouse gases. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
If war broke out in the UK......... I have a great hiding place and I`m going to stay there until it`s all over.

On a serious note : it would be interesting to see who really would stand up and fight for this country, and who would declare that they`ve always hated this country and let the new regime in?
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I thought that 'the new regime' were already in Shocked

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PostPosted: 22:14 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
We would never have a war in the traditional sense like WWI and WWII so your question is invalid.

There is no way any country would be able to successfully land an invasion force on our beaches without us knowing beforehand that they were coming and we would stop them before they landed.


Erm how? If the USSR ever invaded we'd have no way to stop them. As we'd run out of ammo in hours. Even back in the 1980s.

Also why the need to invade? Russia has us over a barrel anyway. They cut simply turn off the gas pipelines. It may well lead to a pearl harbour type moment but essentially we'd be screwed.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
fatpies wrote:
The Artist wrote:
We would never have a war in the traditional sense like WWI and WWII so your question is invalid.

There is no way any country would be able to successfully land an invasion force on our beaches without us knowing beforehand that they were coming and we would stop them before they landed.


Erm how? If the USSR ever invaded we'd have no way to stop them. As we'd run out of ammo in hours. Even back in the 1980s.

Also why the need to invade? Russia has us over a barrel anyway. They cut simply turn off the gas pipelines. It may well lead to a pearl harbour type moment but essentially we'd be screwed.


How the hell is the USSR gonna get near enough to us before WWIII starts? Any country with any power tries something now, it will send the world to shit. We are talking about standard invasions here. If Russia did cut off pipelines just to the UK, yeh we would be in shit, but no way are we getting invaded before Nukes come out to play.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How the hell is the USSR gonna get near enough to us before WWIII starts? Any country with any power tries something now, it will send the world to shit. We are talking about standard invasions here. If Russia did cut off pipelines just to the UK, yeh we would be in shit, but no way are we getting invaded before Nukes come out to play.



Only if the Americans gave us the codes to fire our missiles Laughing
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fatpies wrote:
The Artist wrote:


How the hell is the USSR gonna get near enough to us before WWIII starts? Any country with any power tries something now, it will send the world to shit. We are talking about standard invasions here. If Russia did cut off pipelines just to the UK, yeh we would be in shit, but no way are we getting invaded before Nukes come out to play.



Only if the Americans gave us the codes to fire our missiles Laughing


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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8077326/Bill-Clinton-lost-vital-White-House-nuclear-codes.html
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 03 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Preferred Great Power warfare for the sane...

Proxy Wars

Economic Warfare

Cyber, Electronic and Communications Warfare

All the above at varying levels are the current state of play


Limited Regional Conflict. This looks to where we might be heading. Whether it can be prevented or contained, who's to say.


If it goes to large scale conflict then it gets out of hand. The temptation to use Biological or Chemical weapons is very great if you are in trouble.

If it gets to the use of long range missiles or strategic bombers, whose to know whether either are carrying nuclear warheads? If you guess wrong you've lost either way.

Game Over.
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the real question is why would any one invade the uk??

there are no natural resources to speak of,
no real manufacturing on a large scale
no useful amount of land for agriculture

no offence, but the uk is just a big dead bit of rock with far to many people living on it,
why invade when you could drop a few nukes and be done with it??
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hmmmnz wrote:
the real question is why would any one invade the uk??

there are no natural resources to speak of,
no real manufacturing on a large scale
no useful amount of land for agriculture

no offence, but the uk is just a big dead bit of rock with far to many people living on it,
why invade when you could drop a few nukes and be done with it??


Revenge perhaps.

In the past 100, no even the past 10 years the UK have commited gross injustices upon the world at large. Fake wars which kill 1000s of civilians but are some how A-OK, 'Charity and foreign AID' which causes people to starve.

I am not saying that the world is black and white as nobody is 'good' it's all shades of grey tbh. There may well be quite a large number of people out there happy to take revenge against the UK.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 04 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: If a war broke out in the UK.... Reply with quote
Gazz wrote:
Like another WWII for example.

Do you think the British would make electric power and biofuelled tanks, etc?

Just a thought.



**The reason for this thought was; that I am currently watching something on WWII on TV and seen some footage of millions of Russian tanks all lined up and ready to go to war, and thought they would use a shitload of fuel.

However the UK seem to think they can save the world by charging over the odds for fuel (so we use less of it) while other counties dont bother their arse about conserving oil.

Which got me thinking, surely the time and effort required to make all these alternative fuels (not petrol or diesel) and the fact that everything was used (scrap matals, etc) during the war. Would ths be something the government would consider if war broke out?

Or would they say 'fuck it - all the crap wee have been preaching about carbon footprints, etc; lets all forget about it and lets win this fucking war'?


You are kinda applying todays rules to yesterdays war, which isn't the same as Britain getting into a war today. As Keith said, the current envirocrap would be axed pretty fast. However, the use of renewables would actually be a good idea, since oil needs to be imported, and they may not be too easy to do, depending on the enemy.

In any case, if there were to be another major war facing the UK, they would be pretty screwed in most respects as our defence forces have HUGE holes in them, and are very thin on the ground.

- No maritime patrol planes, only helicopters, the range and endurance difference is ridiculous.
- Very limited number of "in service" fighter and strike aircraft as the Harriers have been scrapped completely and the other types reduced. There are currently 4 Eurofighter Typhoon squadrons, and 6 Tornado GR4 squadrons, with each squadron having 12 to 16 aircraft.
- The aircraft carriers are effectively all gone as there are no Harrier. The bulk of the combat fleet is 6 Type 45s air warfare destroyers (not all delivered yet), 13 general combat frigates, 8 ish nuclear powered submarines, and 4 nuclear powered nuclear missile submarines.
- The nuclear missile submarines could carry 144 nuclear warheads each (which is enough to deter anyone), but the government has kept cutting them, so now there are only about 36 on each submarine, and all but one are sat in dock. There's no financial or world peace benefit to this, the only tangible benefit is to help political parties get liberal votes, and help our enemies (who do you think funds CND?).
- No medium range surface to air missiles, only a few (tens) of short range systems, all others are man portable rockets for use against helicopters and very low aircraft.
- The Army has put in storage much of its heavier kit, not that it would make any difference without the RAF controlling the air.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 04 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
fatpies wrote:



Only if the Americans gave us the codes to fire our missiles Laughing


If they haven't lost them

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8077326/Bill-Clinton-lost-vital-White-House-nuclear-codes.html


That's complete BS TBH. For a start, British nuclear forces do not use "codes". There are keys, one for the senior officers and one for the weapons systems officers, these go in separate safes, and are used to authorise a launch. No codes from the mainland are needed. The codes in question in this report are the serial numbers of the missiles, i.e the number on the side, they mean nothing!
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There is no reason to invade the UK in the first place. Where a island nation and we have the ability to easily defend ourselfs from an invasion.
The only way we would get into a war is in a different county, like what happened in WW2.

The rules of war would stay the same until the enemy decided to break them or we started loosing. Where not the type of country to just go against that sort of thing unless we had no hope.
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Im-a-Ridah wrote:


That's complete BS TBH. For a start, British nuclear forces do not use "codes". There are keys, one for the senior officers and one for the weapons systems officers, these go in separate safes, and are used to authorise a launch. No codes from the mainland are needed. The codes in question in this report are the serial numbers of the missiles, i.e the number on the side, they mean nothing!


It is STILL highly dependent, i.e. maintenance, satellite guidance etc
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fatpies wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


That's complete BS TBH. For a start, British nuclear forces do not use "codes". There are keys, one for the senior officers and one for the weapons systems officers, these go in separate safes, and are used to authorise a launch. No codes from the mainland are needed. The codes in question in this report are the serial numbers of the missiles, i.e the number on the side, they mean nothing!


It is STILL highly dependent, i.e. maintenance, satellite guidance etc


Again stop reading things from the newspapers like the Sun when you've got no idea whether they are true or not. The warheads and submarines are maintained in the UK. The missiles can be maintained in the UK too if we opted to do so, which we do not. The missiles don't need very much maintenance however, with intervals of many years, and on that timescale we could just do it outselves. And the final falacy, they do NOT use satellite guidance, if they did, the enemy would simply take out the guidance satellites, rendering all the missiles in the US useless too. GPS is for conventional munitions.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 04 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
Gazz wrote:
What about Poland, Lithuania,etc, Eastern Europe in general ?

They have already started the invasion and are mingling with our society just waiting patiently on the call coming through. Shocked


How is that anyway like WWI or WWII?


My hero Mr Hitler annexed swathes of Europe on the pretence that they were full of ethnic Germans, who were called on to rise up and support the invasions.

In our case though, Poland could essentially cripple us just by recalling all their plumbers. Wink
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The only war the UK could ever have a chance of winning would be the war of the keyboards. The weapon of choice for so many in this country.
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The only war the UK could ever have a chance of winning would be the war of the keyboards. The weapon of choice for so many in this country.


I only hope that we can find combatants who aren't irony-impaired.
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Skudd wrote:
The only war the UK could ever have a chance of winning would be the war of the keyboards. The weapon of choice for so many in this country.


China could just launch a preemptive strike and stop all exports of keyboards.

Would remove pretty much all our offensive capabilities.

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Skudd wrote:
The only war the UK could ever have a chance of winning would be the war of the keyboards. The weapon of choice for so many in this country.


I only hope that we can find combatants who aren't irony-impaired.


Oh the irony!
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Skudd wrote:
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I only hope that we can find combatants who aren't irony-impaired.


Oh the irony!


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