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PostPosted: 01:13 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Laws on indicators Reply with quote

ok so ive sorted out my bike but only thing left to do is my indicators , both lens are broke off the left side dosent work at all only the right on does (on the fount btw) but all i want to do is ride my bike from my dads to my mums (Romford to Grays) as i live with my mum more,

mum and dad keep saying i cant ride it as i will get nicked ect. but its only one 20min trip.

even if the pold drive pass me how would they know they are broken ?

i dont really want to be staying at my dads waiting for a 5-15 day delivery for indicators.
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Laws on indicators Reply with quote

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ok so ive sorted out my bike but only thing left to do is my indicators , both lens are broke off the left side dosent work at all only the right on does (on the fount btw) but all i want to do is ride my bike from my dads to my mums (Romford to Grays) as i live with my mum more,

mum and dad keep saying i cant ride it as i will get nicked ect. but its only one 20min trip.

even if the pold drive pass me how would they know they are broken ?

i dont really want to be staying at my dads waiting for a 5-15 day delivery for indicators.


Then it's all down to how big your balls are.

Strictly speaking, your bike is unroadworthy and, if you do get tugged, you'll get a penalty; the law is, if they're fitted, they must work.

You can chance it, or you can take them all off, your choice.
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

xt125??? if so take them off enduro style bikes dont legally need indicators Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:56 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest If you are thinking of riding from your dads to your mums and your lights are working. Take the chance in the early morning that way less traffic faster to get to your mums and less plod around.

If I remember correctly all bikes after a certain year have to have them on (unless that is just something I heard) I do know that if you don't have them working cover them up with tape and use hand signals and they can't touch you.. Believe that is what a few members told me on her before.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know if the same law applies now as it did many moons ago.

I was lead to believe by the village bobbie a long while back, that a bike does not need to have indicators.
However if the indicators are not present then the wiring must not be present either.
ie you cant just pull the stalks off?
He said you cant have indicators on your bike that dont work

I dont for one second say that is fact, but that is how it was told to me?
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
xt125??? if so take them off enduro style bikes dont legally need indicators Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 09:19 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
xt125??? if so take them off enduro style bikes dont legally need indicators Thumbs Up


No bike legally needs indicators. However, if fitted they must work.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
mad4it028 wrote:
xt125??? if so take them off enduro style bikes dont legally need indicators Thumbs Up


Wrong


How so?

It's partially correct, but certainly not wrong.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it has an indicator switch, it must have working indicators.

I found this out when MOTing my street fighter, Had to fit indicators wich was a PITA asthe wiring loom had been cut where they were supposed to connect.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
If it has an indicator switch, it must have working indicators.

I found this out when MOTing my street fighter, Had to fit indicators wich was a PITA asthe wiring loom had been cut where they were supposed to connect.


Hence the if fitted.

If you'd put gaffa tape over the switch it should have passed. Or just taken the switch off for the MOT.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:
If it has an indicator switch, it must have working indicators.

I found this out when MOTing my street fighter, Had to fit indicators wich was a PITA asthe wiring loom had been cut where they were supposed to connect.


Hence the if fitted.

If you'd put gaffa tape over the switch it should have passed. Or just taken the switch off for the MOT.


thiss ^^^ black gaffa over switch and job done just MAKESURE tha there are NO indicators on it
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Don't believe there is anything specific saying the wiring must not be there, or that there mustn't be a switch. It merely talks about lights being taped up or painted over. However for most post 1986 bikes, if it has a rear position lamp then it must have indicators.

A bike constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads doesn't need indicators, but to take advantage of that it also must be a solo bike (no pillion provision). So an XT would fail on that as it has a pillion seat, and I would be dubious that as it is a road bike styled to look like an off road bike that it would count as primarily for off road use.

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PostPosted: 11:08 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i getting a little confused , seems like theres not a defo answer. best bet is to tape over the switch and remove the indicators and if i do get pulled hope for a nice police man ?
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The answer is that it is almost certainly not legal (the bike is post 01/04/1986, it has lights, can do over 25mph and it isn't designed primarily for off road use so you can't remove the indicators and still use it on road), but you might get a sympathetic copper.

Taping them up just makes the indicators obvious to make a pull more likely.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:50 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As previously stated, tape over the switch will not pass an MOT.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride it,

if a copper pulls you say you dropped the bike and you're on your way home.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is, if you get stopped it's a £30 non-endorsable fine and rectification notice if they throw the book at you.

Up to you if you want to chance it.

Or venture a tenner on a set of crappy mini-indicators off ebay which ought to last the journey, if not much further.

For what it's worth, my enfield has no indicators on it. I took them off two years ago and have covered around 15,000 miles in that time using hand signals. Nobody has batted an eyelid. Admittedly it looks a lot older than it is but I'm supposed to have them.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
Ride it, if a copper pulls you, set him on fire Thumbs Up Laughing .


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PostPosted: 13:08 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, Keith is pretty much on the money. I spent ages poring over the MoT handbook whilst preparing my KDX 125 for an MoT. It has an indicator switch and wiring, but no indicators. It has position lights, headlight and brake light, plus number plate light.

The specific wording in the MoT handbook is thus...

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If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. 'off road' machines which are designed to carry only the rider.
. 'off road' machines with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.

off road machines are constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).


My KDX has long travel suspension, road legal 'knobblies' and no pillion pegs. The seat is a one-piece seat with no specific pillion provision (other than the size could allow for a second person).

At the MoT the tester immediately told me he wouldn't test it (or, in fact, if he did it would fail) because it had no indicators. I pointed out the wording of the manual - he went off to look it up, then tested it and passed it without a mention. I had taped up the indicator switch.

Of course this is all requirements for the MoT, which don't always align with Construction & Use regulations. For example, the speedo is not considerer in the MoT but is a legal requirement under C&U.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
My KDX has long travel suspension, road legal 'knobblies' and no pillion pegs. The seat is a one-piece seat with no specific pillion provision (other than the size could allow for a second person).


On the seat you potentially have another issue. The seat is the one designed to carry a pillion on the bike as built. And if you have a pillion seat then lack of pillion footrests is also a fail.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:43 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would spending 15 quid down halfords for some new ones resolve this ?

i'd say your more likely to get tugged if your lenses are missing, irrelevant of whether they're working or not......

there is also the small issue of increasing the likelyhood of getting hit by a car as they didnt see you turning........

Although it sounds like I'm being a bit of a mini hitler , if there's one thing that p!sses me off as the weather turns darker and wetter, are cars who blatently have lights which are f*cked and their owners do feck all about it.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get stopped just say "The bike fell over officer.And i will order some new ones when i get home" should be ok for a let off Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
Would spending 15 quid down halfords for some new ones resolve this ?

i'd say your more likely to get tugged if your lenses are missing, irrelevant of whether they're working or not......

there is also the small issue of increasing the likelyhood of getting hit by a car as they didnt see you turning........

Although it sounds like I'm being a bit of a mini hitler , if there's one thing that p!sses me off as the weather turns darker and wetter, are cars who blatently have lights which are f*cked and their owners do feck all about it.


i never buy anything from halfords to much money for tat. i do most of my shopping for bike parts on the interweb. alot cheaper than going in store. i decided not to take the risk as there are a lot of old bill about in Grays now, and they all arse holes. i got some indicators in a shop in Romford.

nice LED ones for £5. my dads mate is fitting them now he also fixed up the forks on my bike as they were twisted. and i dont want to mess about with forks and wires my self end up giving my self an electric shock knowing my luck.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't see why the OP thinks he needs to wait 5-15 days to get something delivered off the interweb. Get some cheap indis with express delivery, 2 days tops, sorted.

Or just MTFU and ride the thing, obviously.

Edit: oh well just seen your last post - clearly getting it sorted Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode with no indis/half my indis for months. Just use your arms.
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