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 Posted: 01:31 - 16 Nov 2011 Post subject: Re: Laws on indicators |
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| CRF-Rider wrote: | ok so ive sorted out my bike but only thing left to do is my indicators , both lens are broke off the left side dosent work at all only the right on does (on the fount btw) but all i want to do is ride my bike from my dads to my mums (Romford to Grays) as i live with my mum more,
mum and dad keep saying i cant ride it as i will get nicked ect. but its only one 20min trip.
even if the pold drive pass me how would they know they are broken ?
i dont really want to be staying at my dads waiting for a 5-15 day delivery for indicators. |
Then it's all down to how big your balls are.
Strictly speaking, your bike is unroadworthy and, if you do get tugged, you'll get a penalty; the law is, if they're fitted, they must work.
You can chance it, or you can take them all off, your choice. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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| mad4it028 |
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xt125??? if so take them off enduro style bikes dont legally need indicators  ____________________ always looking to buy bikes crashed ,unfinished projects,none runners pm me
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To be honest If you are thinking of riding from your dads to your mums and your lights are working. Take the chance in the early morning that way less traffic faster to get to your mums and less plod around.
If I remember correctly all bikes after a certain year have to have them on (unless that is just something I heard) I do know that if you don't have them working cover them up with tape and use hand signals and they can't touch you.. Believe that is what a few members told me on her before. ____________________ CB125>CG125>GN125>ER5>K100RS>R1100RS>K100RS
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Hi
Don't believe there is anything specific saying the wiring must not be there, or that there mustn't be a switch. It merely talks about lights being taped up or painted over. However for most post 1986 bikes, if it has a rear position lamp then it must have indicators.
A bike constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads doesn't need indicators, but to take advantage of that it also must be a solo bike (no pillion provision). So an XT would fail on that as it has a pillion seat, and I would be dubious that as it is a road bike styled to look like an off road bike that it would count as primarily for off road use.
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The answer is that it is almost certainly not legal (the bike is post 01/04/1986, it has lights, can do over 25mph and it isn't designed primarily for off road use so you can't remove the indicators and still use it on road), but you might get a sympathetic copper.
Taping them up just makes the indicators obvious to make a pull more likely.
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Ride it,
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The answer is, if you get stopped it's a £30 non-endorsable fine and rectification notice if they throw the book at you.
Up to you if you want to chance it.
Or venture a tenner on a set of crappy mini-indicators off ebay which ought to last the journey, if not much further.
For what it's worth, my enfield has no indicators on it. I took them off two years ago and have covered around 15,000 miles in that time using hand signals. Nobody has batted an eyelid. Admittedly it looks a lot older than it is but I'm supposed to have them. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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As usual, Keith is pretty much on the money. I spent ages poring over the MoT handbook whilst preparing my KDX 125 for an MoT. It has an indicator switch and wiring, but no indicators. It has position lights, headlight and brake light, plus number plate light.
The specific wording in the MoT handbook is thus...
| Quote: | If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. 'off road' machines which are designed to carry only the rider.
. 'off road' machines with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.
off road machines are constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise). |
My KDX has long travel suspension, road legal 'knobblies' and no pillion pegs. The seat is a one-piece seat with no specific pillion provision (other than the size could allow for a second person).
At the MoT the tester immediately told me he wouldn't test it (or, in fact, if he did it would fail) because it had no indicators. I pointed out the wording of the manual - he went off to look it up, then tested it and passed it without a mention. I had taped up the indicator switch.
Of course this is all requirements for the MoT, which don't always align with Construction & Use regulations. For example, the speedo is not considerer in the MoT but is a legal requirement under C&U. ____________________
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If you get stopped just say "The bike fell over officer.And i will order some new ones when i get home" should be ok for a let off  |
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| GSTEEL32 wrote: | Would spending 15 quid down halfords for some new ones resolve this ?
i'd say your more likely to get tugged if your lenses are missing, irrelevant of whether they're working or not......
there is also the small issue of increasing the likelyhood of getting hit by a car as they didnt see you turning........
Although it sounds like I'm being a bit of a mini hitler , if there's one thing that p!sses me off as the weather turns darker and wetter, are cars who blatently have lights which are f*cked and their owners do feck all about it. |
i never buy anything from halfords to much money for tat. i do most of my shopping for bike parts on the interweb. alot cheaper than going in store. i decided not to take the risk as there are a lot of old bill about in Grays now, and they all arse holes. i got some indicators in a shop in Romford.
nice LED ones for £5. my dads mate is fitting them now he also fixed up the forks on my bike as they were twisted. and i dont want to mess about with forks and wires my self end up giving my self an electric shock knowing my luck. ____________________ owned bikes: DR50, Thumpsta 110 , Honda CR85, Speedfight 100, Yamaha XT125X, Honda CRF450, Honda Hornet '07
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I just can't see why the OP thinks he needs to wait 5-15 days to get something delivered off the interweb. Get some cheap indis with express delivery, 2 days tops, sorted.
Or just MTFU and ride the thing, obviously.
Edit: oh well just seen your last post - clearly getting it sorted  ____________________ '09 YBR 125 -> '92 XJ600 S Diversion -> '99 Hornet 600
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 58 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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