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Harris Tweed
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Exhaust joint blowing Reply with quote

I've got a stainless 4-into-1 that's blowing at the joint where the back pipe (and can) meet the collector box/joint of the front section. I separated the sections, both looked in good order though one end had flakes of rust, I cleaned both ends and re-sealed with exhaust paste. The joint seems to always last for a week or so and then it starts blowing again. I've tried exhaust paste and epoxy resin but the story is the same. I've heard that high-temp silicone sealant is the way to go on stainless due to expansion? Any advice?
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use this

https://reviews.halfords.com/4028/741520/reviews.htm

Dries hard and not blown out yet.
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

it sounds like the joint mating is out.
The can should slip over the downpipe.
It should be a tight to awkward slip.
Maybe the pipe is worn so you may need to re-work the can by making the splits a little wider so the part of the joint that is the can is able to squeeze a little tighter.
Gun Gum etc. is to exhausts as gaffa tape is to bodywork repair.

If you do not want to cut your can then use a steel can to wrap around the pipe and increase it's diameter slightly to get the tight metal to metal fit.
The tight fit gives the gas-tight seal.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the fitting between the silencer and the downpipes is not a slip fit it might need one of these

https://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/524831/Exhausts/Exhaust-Gaskets/On-Two-Wheels
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, I think you are right, the joint has worn and will probably need a seal and some better sealant. Thanks for the www links too, much appreciated.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say GSX750W do you mean the GSX750 FW Teapot??. If so Suzuki use a large diameter composite gasket to join the collector to the link pipe on most of the oil cooled motors including the Teapot, if thats gone then it's hard to seal it as stuff keeps getting blown out.
Have you still got a clamp on the joint?? if not that's your main problem the mild steel collar has rotted away same as you get on Bandits. It need cleaning up and a replacement collar in stainless welding in to make it as good as new again. Otherwise you're looking at a new exhaust.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clear bathroom silicone from B&Q for exhausts. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.screwfix.com/p/dow-corning-flue-silicone-red/31593;jsessionid=zQ0jTKFTwQdS52yFVVhr0drR41JThZGYQ0GwH1vyN9NynQvp4PVs!484978413

Screwfix are not (always) cheap BTW.

B&Q will take about the same for their cheap own label bathroom sealant.

https://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=11348631&fh_location=//catalog01/en_GB/categories%3C{9372013}/categories%3C{9372031}/categories%3C{9372100}/specificationsProductType=sealants
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
When you say GSX750W do you mean the GSX750 FW Teapot??. If so Suzuki use a large diameter composite gasket to join the collector to the link pipe on most of the oil cooled motors including the Teapot, if thats gone then it's hard to seal it as stuff keeps getting blown out.
Have you still got a clamp on the joint?? if not that's your main problem the mild steel collar has rotted away same as you get on Bandits. It need cleaning up and a replacement collar in stainless welding in to make it as good as new again. Otherwise you're looking at a new exhaust.


Hi there, it's a GSX750w retro (Inazuma). Looking at the posts here from you guys (and girls?) I was convinced that the flakes of rust I cleaned off were the remains of some kind of mild steel gasket or collar sitting in the collector box. So, I got hold of a Haynes manual and it confirms there there is supposed to be a gasket. I was lucky enough to locate a new clamp a few weeks ago (it has a nice chrome shield around it hiding the joint). I'll start looking for a collar to fit as well.

Thanks all, I now know the reason why it's blowing, it didn't occur to me that there was an extra piece. Cheers for the help, much appreciated.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Clear bathroom silicone from B&Q for exhausts. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. Thumbs Up


snap cheap as chips use on me car, bike and house Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Clear bathroom silicone from B&Q for exhausts. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. Thumbs Up

+1 with this.
I've currently got B&Q silicone sealant on the exhaust joint of the Bandit. The bike has been used almost daily for the past month+ with no problems Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dazbo666 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Clear bathroom silicone from B&Q for exhausts. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. Thumbs Up

+1 with this.
I've currently got B&Q silicone sealant on the exhaust joint of the Bandit. The bike has been used almost daily for the past month+ with no problems Thumbs Up

You might be lucky and it stay in for a while if the whole assembly is there but the OP is also missing the collar which has rusted off "the dreaded Bandit collector rot" so there's no chance of silicone or anything else lasting there at the joint.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
You might be lucky and it stay in for a while if the whole assembly is there but the OP is also missing the collar which has rusted off "the dreaded Bandit collector rot" so there's no chance of silicone or anything else lasting there at the joint.


My Bandit has suffered collar rot, and the silicone sealant still works for me... although the link pipe is long enough the fit inside the remainder of the collector, which helps
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 22 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Located a gasket/collar which is on the way. I think I'll try a spot of silicone too but I can't believe the standard B&Q stuff will do the trick though!
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 28 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a "holy thread resurrection Batman" moment so apologies but I want to try the B&Q sealant trick on my exhaust to prevent it leaking.

I know nothing about bathroom sealant but I went to B&Q and they had "interior bathroom clear silicone sealant" and "interior & exterior clear silicone sealant". Which is better please? I got both just in case but would prefer to use the optimum product from the start Smile

It was about £3 a tube by the way so very affordable!
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 28 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably go with the outdoor stuff.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 29 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Stinkwheel and welcome back to this thread after a decade away. It is the better for your return Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 29 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In honesty, I just use whatever's in the shed and isn't totally fossilised in the tube but I'd imagine outdoor stuff will have some sort of UV protectant in it.
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 01 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
In honesty, I just use whatever's in the shed and isn't totally fossilised in the tube but I'd imagine outdoor stuff will have some sort of UV protectant in it.


Thanks! Is UV protectant going to noxiously burn off the moment it gets a whiff of some scalding exhaust fumes causing me to fall unconscious from the bike under the wheels of a bus? Or is it durable enough to bravely cling on and therefore a good thing?
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PostPosted: 04:22 - 01 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The outdoor or indoor sealant won't last for as long as this thread. That's a given.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 01 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used silicone sealant of the exhaust header of an air-cooled bike before today. It's also sealing the flue of my wood burning stove.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 01 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some are good up to 300° Centipede.
AGA/Rayburn stoves use a high temp sillycunt sealant (from 3m) to glue the SS rope seal into the edge of the hotplate covers.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 01 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can find it, get some flue sealant.
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