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Irdawood the 2nd
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Bus Lane Penalty Reply with quote

Sorry about this guys just a bit of a rant, i did some searching on the forum but didn't quite get what i wanted answered.
Basically i got pulled over for going in the bus lane now the guy on the roadside said it was only a fixed penalty, so here i go in today to the cop shop hand in my documents apparently its 3 points as well? did some searching on the forum and seems like this is the case,
As i was only in the bus lane for literally seconds and the road side officer said it was only a fine, can i appeal this?
also i remember someone saying that you can check on the net if the road was designated for a bus lane because sometimes it may have the markings but its not an official bus lane.
And how would this effect insurance say i was getting quoted for like £500 on my bike what would the increase be with 3 points? and how long does it stay on your license for?
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where were you? It's just a fine in London. No way there's three points for being in a Bus Lane. Let me find the other rants about it on here...
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Re: Bus Lane Penalty Reply with quote

Irdawood the 2nd wrote:
And how would this effect insurance say i was getting quoted for like £500 on my bike what would the increase be with 3 points? and how long does it stay on your license for?


As far as i know, points stay on your licence for 3 years, but you have to tell your insurance company if you have had any penalties in the last 5 years Confused . Is the offence a TS10?, because mine is and hasn't affected my insurance that much at all, i thin speeding offences are the ones that put your insurance up but i might be wrong Confused .
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much depends on whether it is a breach of a local traffic order or failing to comply with a statutory regulation, and this does vary from county to county.

If it is a breach of a local traffic order, then it will usually be nothing more than a fine, but if it is a breach of a statutory regulation then it is a fine and points.

The best way to find out is to visit your local library and ask for a copy of the Highway regulations in respect of the road on which you were stopped. In there it will give you all the parking regs as well as any other regs for that section of road including speed limits and under which order they were made.

If it is an act by Parliament then you are stuffed, but if it is a local traffic order issued by the local authority then they will not be able to issue points.

In simple terms however, motorcycles are prohibited from using bus lanes unless there is a sign at the commencement of the bus lane saying that motorcycles are allowed to use that lane. For example in Reading many but not all bus lanes are open to motorcycles, but the regulations are made under a local traffic order, although there is the option of reporting for riding/driving without due care and attention which of course carries a heavier penalty.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ticket I did get from the police was a yellow one and on the front it said:

Fixed penalty notice (endorsable offence)

But on the ticket near the bottom it also says:

Licence not surrendered at roadside
You have 7 days to produce it etc
if you do and meet the requirements the police wont take no further action in respect to the offence providing you pay with 28 days the sum of £60 to the address shown in part 2

So it’its contradicting itself and I am real confused

Also the guy that pulled me sad it wont be points only the penalty now the women behind the desk...and when I phoned up for this help line thing said 3 points as well???
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd pay the money not send the license and then see what happens, they can only say that they require it afterwards. You can always say that you received conflicting advice from the officer involved and the receptionist and as your license is a valuable document you wanted further clarification.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irdawood the 2nd wrote:
The ticket I did get from the police was a yellow one and on the front it said:

Fixed penalty notice (endorsable offence)

But on the ticket near the bottom it also says:

Licence not surrendered at roadside
You have 7 days to produce it etc
if you do and meet the requirements the police wont take no further action in respect to the offence providing you pay with 28 days the sum of £60 to the address shown in part 2

So it’its contradicting itself and I am real confused

Also the guy that pulled me sad it wont be points only the penalty now the women behind the desk...and when I phoned up for this help line thing said 3 points as well???


A yellow ticket is usually an endorsable, white tickets are non endorsable.

What it is telling you is that you have not surrendered your licence and therefore you must do so at the Police Station you nominated within 7 days (this is the same as being given an HO/RT1). On production your licence will be taken from you and sent to the central ticket office of your local police force who will then arrange to have the endorsement put on it. In the meantime there is a section on the ticket that will be torn off and returned to you so that you know where to send your cheque assuming that you will plead guilty. If you intend to plead not guilty then there is a different section to complete.

Once the payment is received at the central ticket office and married up to your licence, the licence will be returned in due course. If the fine is not paid within the 28 days, then an additional penalty is added or a summons will be issued for you to appear at court.

The "No further action" means that once your licence is endorsed and the fine paid that is the end of the matter as far as they are concerned.

Now it may be that the Policeman who pulled you gave you the wrong type of ticket, and the Station Duty officer is telling you that you will receive points because of the type of ticket that has been issued.

So you need to find out what regulation you have breached (see my earlier thread).

If it is a local order and they have issued the wrong ticket, then the whole thing will get written off including the fine, if it is a statutory regulation then the Policeman gave you the wrong information but proving he gave you the wrong info might be difficult.

Further advice is difficult until it is known what regulation you have breached!
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
I'd pay the money not send the license and then see what happens, they can only say that they require it afterwards. You can always say that you received conflicting advice from the officer involved and the receptionist and as your license is a valuable document you wanted further clarification.


I wouldn't pay any money until it is clarified what the exact offence is. He could end up paying twice the amount required as a nonendorsable is usually only £30 as opposed to £60 for an endorsable ticket.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC - I see what you mean.

Did you read Keiths link?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=23451

Very amusing.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
TC - I see what you mean.

Did you read Keiths link?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=23451

Very amusing.


I remember it well from when the story was first circulated within the Police service, although it was kept very quiet at the time. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

I wouldn't pay any money until it is clarified what the exact offence is. He could end up paying twice the amount required as a nonendorsable is usually only £30 as opposed to £60 for an endorsable ticket.


Well i have already handed in my licence not paid anything yet,

the offence code is 031

I have phoned the help line number (where you can pay the fine) and they said yeah its 3 points on licence?

But like i said the police officer did say it was only a fine.

If i write to the address provided do you think my plea will get anywhere? or am i just wasting my time?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irdawood the 2nd wrote:
T.C wrote:

I wouldn't pay any money until it is clarified what the exact offence is. He could end up paying twice the amount required as a nonendorsable is usually only £30 as opposed to £60 for an endorsable ticket.


Well i have already handed in my licence not paid anything yet,

the offence code is 031

I have phoned the help line number (where you can pay the fine) and they said yeah its 3 points on licence?

But like i said the police officer did say it was only a fine.

If i write to the address provided do you think my plea will get anywhere? or am i just wasting my time?

Thanks.


If the central ticket office has confirmed that it is endorsable, then I am afraid you are pretty well stuffed.

Even though the Copper has probably given you the wrong signs in respect of endorsments, it does sound like that he has given you the right ticket, so I don't see much chance of getting out of it that way.

You might want to make a formal complaint, but this sort of thing will normally be resolved by what is called "Informal resolution" but it will not sway the CTO into revoking the ticket unless you can again prove that it was a local regulation rather than a statutory reg.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I don't think I will be complaining against the cop, as he was only doing his job. I was under the impression that this was only a fine and not points as well.

Thats whats ticking me off. Sad
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