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DrDonnyBrago
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: serial ports Reply with quote

Hi, the old PCIII power commanders used a 9 pin serial port, not sure I have access to a PC with a 9 pin serial port.


Can you get serial--->USB adaptors, do they work with old PCIIIs?

i.e. this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-RS232-Converter-Cable/dp/B00077DJIQ



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PostPosted: 18:30 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our commissioning engineers use serial coms to upload settings to control panel relays. They find USB converters can be hit and miss such that it was worth the grief getting laptops with serial ports last time round.

It is just a case of try it and see - for £3, its probably worth a punt.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use Belkin USB-2-Serial adaptors in a lot of branches for old style printers (major uk bank)

They're fine for simple communications - the power commander looks like it'd be a very simple device, so should work okay.

Part number is FU1 something - if your £3 doesn't work I'll see if there's a spare belkin one at work and post it to you
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: serial ports Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Hi, the old PCIII power commanders used a 9 pin serial port, not sure I have access to a PC with a 9 pin serial port.


Can you get serial--->USB adaptors, do they work with old PCIIIs?

i.e. this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-RS232-Converter-Cable/dp/B00077DJIQ



Cheers


Looks like you might need a serial-USB null modem cable, which isn't the same as a converter:

https://www.techdigital.co.uk/products/USB-to-RS232-Male-Cable-%252d-9-Pin-Serial-%252d-Null-Modem.html

...and it's more expensive.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha! A subject about which I know a great deal.

Ok, you can get USB to serial converters, however there are only two manufacturers of the chip used in such a device. One of the manufacturers converter is good, and the other is shit.

The only make that I know of which uses the OK chip is Belkin. So, if you google a Belkin USB-serial converter you probably can't go too far wrong.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: serial ports Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
Hi, the old PCIII power commanders used a 9 pin serial port, not sure I have access to a PC with a 9 pin serial port.


Can you get serial--->USB adaptors, do they work with old PCIIIs?

i.e. this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-RS232-Converter-Cable/dp/B00077DJIQ



Cheers


Looks like you might need a serial-USB null modem cable, which isn't the same as a converter:

https://www.techdigital.co.uk/products/USB-to-RS232-Male-Cable-%252d-9-Pin-Serial-%252d-Null-Modem.html

...and it's more expensive.


A usb-serial null modem is just a usb-serial converter with a crossover/pinswap built in. Waste of cash. You can make a pinswap for about 10p yourself if you know how to solder.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: serial ports Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
You can make a pinswap for about 10p yourself if you know how to solder.


Big whoop. You could make a bluetooth wireless adaptor if you knew electonics.

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PostPosted: 21:59 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: serial ports Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
MarJay wrote:
You can make a pinswap for about 10p yourself if you know how to solder.


Big whoop. You could make a bluetooth wireless adaptor if you knew electonics.

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I'm not an electronics expert, and I could make a pinswap. Its just a female 9 pin connector and a male 9 pin connector soldered together with wire so the appropriate pins are swapped. I could make one in about 20 minutes from junk I've got lying about the office.

However, being that I know something about serial communications, I'd say that you don't need a pinswap to connect a Power Commander to a laptop. Hence the Belkin USB-Serial converter is the best bet.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.pchardwareuk.com/belkin-usb-to-rs232-adaptor-p-26198.html
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Chris_ wrote:
We use Belkin USB-2-Serial adaptors in a lot of branches for old style printers (major uk bank)

They're fine for simple communications - the power commander looks like it'd be a very simple device, so should work okay.

Part number is FU1 something - if your £3 doesn't work I'll see if there's a spare belkin one at work and post it to you


I work in the tech support department of a printer manufacturer. We do not support the use of any USB to serial (or parallel) converters. Although they do sometimes work ok, they're generally so flaky and unreliable that we just wash our hands of anyone who has an issue with a printer whilst using them.

@ Bazza - this page states that a 'straight through' serial cable is required. As the OPs link doesn't state it's null modem, I'd suggest that it's correct for the application.

@ DonnyBrago - despite what I've previously stated, for the money I'd give it a try. Whilst I don't think you'll need one, it might be worth ordering a null modem converter - they're only a few quid.
If the USB converter doesn't work, you could always consider a PCI serial card - you can pick them up for around a tenner.

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PostPosted: 22:38 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
_Chris_ wrote:
We use Belkin USB-2-Serial adaptors in a lot of branches for old style printers (major uk bank)

They're fine for simple communications - the power commander looks like it'd be a very simple device, so should work okay.

Part number is FU1 something - if your £3 doesn't work I'll see if there's a spare belkin one at work and post it to you


I work in the tech support department of a printer manufacturer. We do not support the use of any USB to serial (or parallel) converters. Although they do sometimes work ok, they're generally so flaky and unreliable that we just wash our hands of anyone who has an issue with a printer whilst using them.


Seriously, its all down to the chipset. Hardly any manufacturer uses the quality chipset in their converters... except for Belkin.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, the USB ones are OK, but they will screw up on pretty much a daily basis. You just need to unplug them and plug them in again to fix most. Good bet for a printer, maybe not such a good idea with a nuclear power plant, crane ect. The adaptors really let down what would otherwise be quite a reliable, albeit slow, connection method.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 24 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

Seriously, its all down to the chipset. Hardly any manufacturer uses the quality chipset in their converters... except for Belkin.


Seriously, it's not. At least not with regard to the exciting world of thermal printers.

In a previous job (for a different printer manufacturer) I trialled a wide variety of them, sourced from multiple manufacturers (including Belkin).

Some were better than others, but they all failed at some operation or function.

Consequently, that manufacturer decided not to support them. The manufacturer I currently work for doesn't support them either. That should tell you something.

Thankfully, times have moved on a bit now, and most thermal printers have a 'proper' USB port as standard (or at least as an option). Gone are the good old days when they were parallel or serial only.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 25 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The company I work for makes its own serial controllers for broadcast equipment. I would imagine that the interfaces involved are closer to what a Power Commander would have than a printer...
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