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PostPosted: 20:01 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Confirmation.... Reply with quote

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/January/jan1312-details-of-new-licencing-regime-confirmed/
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cock and balls.

Just glad I'm 18 and can do my test this year. Feel sorry for my mate..

Instead of making it nice and simple to follow they have done the opposite,(again) DSA, you fail. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Cock and balls.

Just glad I'm 18 and can do my test this year. Feel sorry for my mate..

Instead of making it nice and simple to follow they have done the opposite,(again) DSA, you fail. Thumbs Down


That the thing, I thought it was nice and simply before and actually quite well thought out.

But this is just utter shit! Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It means 17-year-olds will face three exams or training sessions over a minimum of four years before they can ride an unlimited bike.


They really don't want motorcycles on the road, do they?
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It means 17-year-olds will face three exams or training sessions over a minimum of four years before they can ride an unlimited bike.


They really don't want motorcycles on the road, do they?


Or they do but want to make more money in the process.......
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes use less in fuel, this is one way of compensating the government for less spent in fuel useage. Its foolish thinking like this that fuels insanity.
Dont know what this change will bring tho, I was on a brand new (unrestricted) 100hp motorcycle with 3 months or so of my 33bhp limit remaining. I figured I had more than the average riders "2 years of experience" by that time so I justified bending the rule. I do strongly oppose anything that makes lives for people more awkward such as this change in licensing. Why judge and treat everyone based on the actions of the few?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They then face a further two-year wait – and yet another test or further training - before they can qualify to ride a bike of any power.
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Each step-up in power will involve a further test or training. A DSA release said: ‘The feasibility of the training option is currently being looked into; a final decision is yet to be made.’


Training or another test hasnt been decided on.

Lets have a look shall we.

Option 1: training. Pay the local training school to decide whether your capable of riding a bigger powered bike. That will involve regulating training schools and making sure they know what is required and will cost thousands.

Option 2: Another test: Making everyone take another theory, mod 1 and mod 2 test at an authorized DSA test center which will make them thousands.

hmmmm I wonder what they will decide.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on a second. This is all being dictated by Brussels, not the DfT, and we've known the broad content of it for 6 years now.

Mod 1 is a big loss maker for the DfT and they're working towards getting shot of it. We should be back to a single test around the time that the 3DLD licensing comes in.

And they're still considering a training route to upgrade, it's not off the cards yet.

Yes, it's bad, but we've got a not entirely insane lot in charge at the DfT at the moment. It could have been a lot worse.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just glad that it no longer poses a direct concern for me as I have my full license. Although I am opposed to this new pile of wank for obvious reasons and I tell every potential biker I talk to, to get their test passed before January next year.
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:

They really don't want motorcycles on the road, do they?


Or they do but want to make more money in the process.......
If that was the case they have the power to simply double prices overnight. Unfortunately the 'biker' concept is deemed dangerous and unrully, therefore it must be made deaded. Sad
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So according to that if i dont get my mod 1 and mod 2 done this year il only have to take one next year, being over 21?
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
So according to that if i dont get my mod 1 and mod 2 done this year il only have to take one next year, being over 21?


If you want to do DAS next year you'll need to be at least 24.

It's the intention to return to a single test at the end of this year, but it will be on a centre-by-centre basis, if they can find suitable public roads to do the swerve and brake moves on.

The H&S wonks will be throwing a fit over it, and the DfT moves in geological timescales anyway, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can't see the point in having to re-train for each step up. What do they teach you the second and third time? how not to twist your wrist not quite so much?

I guess the real reason for this regime is to not discourage people from riding 'environmentally friendly little 125s' but discourage a move up to those big nasty thirsty bikes that make lots of noise and irritate the bearded open-toed-sandal shod environmentalists as they trundle around on their scooters.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be reading too much into it. Based on a licensing 'Fact Sheet' that was floating around, I don't think we need look further than pathetic soulless Brussels mouse-nudgers, who just despise the very idea that anyone might be enjoying themselves with the closest that their bitter shrunken heart can come to real passion.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely this makes it a far shrewder investment for you to just wait until you're 24 then do your DAS? Then crash your R1 into a tree.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Surely this makes it a far shrewder investment for you to just wait until you're 24 then do your DAS? Then crash your R1 into a tree.
Then biker stats rise through the roof (in a very bad way) and they ban the concept. They got it alll figured out.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad that I'm ancient. I'd hate to be 16 years old now and wanting to ride a motorcycle. It's just going to have people on 125's for years after just doing a CBT assessment, and then going for their full license at 24 with no training for the previous 7 years, other than the general riding on a little bike.
The current system seems quite good, what with the 2 year restriction for under 21's and over 21's can do four days training and get on a hayabusa and go rocketing over the horizon.
Do people magically get more mature and responsible on their 21st birthday? If not, do they think it's going to happen on their 24th?
How are the other European countries responding to the EU 3rd directive? I'll bet that the UK is going to impose it to the nth degree, and the rest will do a half-arsed but workable and sensible reaction to it.
Anyway, what do I care? I have a full motorcycle license but would like to see some young 'uns coming through so we old farts don't preside over the extinction of two wheeled fun.
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