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 Posted: 02:22 - 02 Dec 2011  Post subject: Bikers & speed |
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This article caught my attention; and while I don't condone the speed in that area if he did it, I have to ask why a biker would sail past a marked mobile speed van (the area is 2 miles from me,you cant 'hide' a big silver van anywhere there!) and then plead in court with an apology when the video doesn't show his brake light coming on/going off to dramatically vary speed and he's with the flow of traffic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0y6m-S_oo
The exact van:
https://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk/webimage/police_speed_camera_van_1_3994139!image/114041015.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/114041015.jpg
It was pointed out on the Youtube comments (and I've read it here recently too a few times) that the way he rides as is taught by the Police on the courses they do.
So, the alledged speed is OTT but his riding is described as 'disregarding safety of others"; isn't this how every biker rides (in the vid)? I know I do..
Punishment:
| Quote: | A MOTORCYCLIST who rode his Suzuki at 116mph in rush-hour traffic on the A1237 at Huntington has today been banned for three months.
Matthew Michael Greenwood, 34, of Rainsborough Way, York, who pleaded guilty to speeding at Selby Magistrates’ Court today was also fined £395 and ordered to pay costs of £60.
Greenwood was captured at 9.15am on the morning of 31 October 2011, by North Yorkshire Police’s mobile safety camera. The road was wet with a significant amount of traffic, the speed limit was 60mph, the court heard. |
Now when you think back a couple weeks,there was that thread about the Parish Counsellor who killed a biker and iirc virtually got away with it. Lols much?
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Posted: 03:53 - 02 Dec 2011  Post subject: |
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Seriously that is 116mph doesn't look that fast he is keeping in line with traffic not even gaining that much on the cars so how come he is the only one that comes up at that speed.
Something seems fishy there could just be me, I'm thinking faulty camera to be honest.
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| Posted: 11:44 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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[X-posted to the toobs]
I for one am glad that "safety" cameras are out there catching loads of tailgaiters, mobile phone yakkers, makeup-artists, tired-and-emotional morning-after drivers and defective vehicles.
They do that, right?
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| Posted: 11:54 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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theres no way thats a 116mph 
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| Rogerborg wrote: | [X-posted to the toobs]
I for one am glad that "safety" cameras are out there catching loads of tailgaiters, mobile phone yakkers, makeup-artists, tired-and-emotional morning-after drivers and defective vehicles.
They do that, right? |
Hit the nail on the head sir 
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| Posted: 13:32 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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Still looks unlikely, unless everybody else was doing 80mph+. Funny bit of footage for Plod to choose to show though, it really does make it clear look like they're just a bunch of footpads.
Heh, I guess it's time for this again:
| Earl Russel wrote: | The way in which the artificial speed limit is enforced now tends to obscure that [anti-social driving is only that which endangers others]. The home counties have been specially disgraced by the manner in which the Motor-car Act has been administered. Attention is not directed to that which I think your Lordships all agree is of importance—the safety of the public. Policemen are not stationed in the villages where there are people about who might be in danger, but are hidden in hedges or ditches by the side of the most open roads in the country. Motorists may drive through villages in any way they like. |
| Lord Montagu of Beaulieu wrote: | I am entirely in sympathy with what the noble Earl said with regard to police traps. In my opinion they are manifestly absurd as a protection to the public, and they are used in many counties merely as a means of extracting money from the passing traveller in a way which reminds one of the highwaymen of the Middle Ages |
Source: Hansard, 16 July 1907.
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| Posted: 14:06 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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My replies/comments on the FB page:
| Quote: | To be fair Gill, the Police teach you to ride like that on the advance courses they have for bikers. Not the speed, but they do speed on the courses. How do we know this guy doesn't have advance rider training? The press have a habit of not getting all the facts before publishing some stories. |
| Quote: | i agree, some bikers do act like idiots and that's where the reputation comes from. I get alot of stick from people who use the stereotype and it's unwarranted. Did you see the video? it shows a bike that overtook a van and there wasn't even any brakelights as his speed reduced to get back to the same speed of traffic so maybe the camera was wrong or not calibrated? because he was going the same speed as traffic both before and while he went round the blue van. If I was him, I would have wanted proof of the cameras calibration and reliability. |
| Quote: | ok, let me put it this way, (and I hope the press are noting this) this guy was supposedly caught at 116mph but the verry short video shows him the same speed as traffic, there's no brake lights showing he slowed from high speed, and he seemingly has an LED based rear light so that could affect a camera. Now, a couple of days earlier a biker died on Layerthorpe (RIP) which the police said wasn't due to his riding behaviour or speed, both roads in comparison here are similar in width. The Bypass is designed to handle speed that's why it's got a high limit, both of these in a week show speed isn't that big of a factor. now bearing in mind "anti-social riding" defines someone who is putting the lives of others at risk but in that video, where the rider clearly has full control; who's at risk? and why would a biker go flying at 116mph past a big fully marked silver police scamera van? something is wrong about this, and if he rides there like how they teach on the courses does that mean the police could be teaching people to ride with 'complete disregard' on the roads? |
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I drove a car around for 3 months untaxed, I park in a hospital/in busy side streets, commute on a busy motorway, go through city centres on a regular basis and didn't get stopped/lettered etc. I eventually got dobbed in by a traffic warden.
In my defence, my car has a VIC marker against it so I don't get tax reminders (a DVLA bright idea). I am of the same opinion as you, ANPR is crap. If we were proper pikeys we would be using someone else's plate anyway. |
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Speeding as an offence is one that really does my head in.
Why can't people just be considerate and go nice steady by schools ect, but when conditions allow we should be allowed to use our own common sense and 'progress'
I understand why it has to be the way it is (Because of useless drivers and loads of other shit)
It's just annoying. Meh.
Oh and where the FB page? Interested to see it!
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| bikertomm wrote: | Why can't people just be considerate and go nice steady by schools ect, but when conditions allow we should be allowed to use our own common sense and 'progress' |
Becouse we have a system of Driving tests to establish that we can safely and accurately assess and manage risk, like judging the speed of an on coming jugganaut before we over take...
But cannot POSSIBLY work out for ourselves what an apropriate speed to drive at for the conditions would be; whether its a good idea to wear a seat-belt or crash-helmet, or work out that trying to txt while driving could be a little bit distracting to the attension we have to pay to the road, so despite there being a law against driving withoit due care and attension we need a new, specific one to clear that one up for us...
I mean, if its against the law to smoke in a car, why do they fit ash-trays to them?
If its against the law to drink and drive, why do they have drinks holders?
Did you know that technically it is not illegal to change teh CD or casette in your car radio while driving, becouse it doesn't contravene any other laws unless its blatently causing you distraction.
However, due to the mobilke phone law, it IS legal to prod and poke a sat nav hung in the middle of the windscreen, but NOT legal to change the music station on the radio, unless that station has traffic anouncements!
In the small print of the mobile phone law amendments aparently; they redefined the mobilke phone as ANY device recieving broad-cast 'signals', then made exemptions if they were a driver 'aid'!?
The law is an ass, (and frequently made by asses) but unfortunately still law!
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| Posted: 22:28 - 02 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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Lol at the 116 mph. I think he needed a better lawyer.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: |
Did you know that technically it is not illegal to change teh CD or casette in your car radio while driving, becouse it doesn't contravene any other laws unless its blatently causing you distraction.
However, due to the mobilke phone law, it IS legal to prod and poke a sat nav hung in the middle of the windscreen, but NOT legal to change the music station on the radio, unless that station has traffic anouncements!
In the small print of the mobile phone law amendments aparently; they redefined the mobilke phone as ANY device recieving broad-cast 'signals', then made exemptions if they were a driver 'aid'!?
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It's not illegal to flick about with a radio..
It's not illegal to flick about with a SatNav..
It's not illegal to drink a can of coke while driving..
I do the above, and as it goes none of them cause me to be adversely distracted and crash.
Oh, er, what sources have you got to verify that last bit?
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Instead of using the laser as the main evidence why not count how many white lines he passes in a set amount of time to confirm his speed?
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