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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 01 Dec 2011    Post subject: Living with the Amish on C4 Reply with quote

I know they have a reputation for making traditional furniture but am shocked by all the power tools! I thought the Amish steered clear of all technology after about 1820.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 01 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romans 2:12 says they can use things linked to the world. Electricity and wires are linked to the ground and thus allowed.

TBH its like Islamic banking, whereby things are made up to circumvent the rules. Their rules allow certain things but disallow other things. Mains electricity is forbidden. But if you hook it up to a generator an inverter and not actually own the tools yourself then its A-OK.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 01 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only saw a few minutes of it, I didn't see any power tools but did see electric lights in the house which slightly confused me.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the one last year where the Amish came to stay with UK familes... that was pretty interesting. I love culture shock documentaries like that.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're actually pretty reasonable when it comes to technology. They have regular meetings where they decide what is and isn't allowed. essentially they only allow stuff that doesn't cause radical changes to their way of life or is potentially troublesome.
For instance they can travel cross country by train, but only by air in an emergency. When they move house they hire a van. They're not allowed a home phone or mobile unless they are running a business and truely need one etc.
Some of the farmers have started growing GM crops! They say it's just growing from seed same as they've always done, exactly how the seeds are made doesn't concern them and the improvements in GM crops help them stay profitable and retain their way of life.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience pretty much all religious people will look to interpret their religion in way that benefits them.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seemed happy and that can only be good
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PostPosted: 03:14 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
In my experience pretty much all religious people will look to interpret their religion in way that benefits them.


the very concept of religion requires a gross distortion of logic to be accepted as reality to start with. Easy to reason anything how you like it once that distortion has been achieved.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they shunned all technological advances ( what I believed up to the program) or embraced all that modern life offers I could at least understand where they are coming from but the partial adaptation of things makes no sense in a religious context. God did not give them that choice if you believe what they believe.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they lived in the state in which god created us (6,000 years) ago, not only would they lack power tools, they'd also be butt nekkid. As soon as you've accepted that the beardy sky giant got some stuff wrong (nekkidness, marijuana, liberals) you have to start saying "I think what god wants us to do is..."

Fair play to the Amish though, as nutty brainwashing cults go, it's one of the least offensive.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the same re roller skates - just get a cycle!/car.

Also last week I saw on old style washing machine (load it from the top and it swirls round. Type your grandma had). I thought to myself, how is that any different to a zanussi, it's just older.

Tbh, the Amish are hypocrites, but we all are. They don't live as simply as they like to say they do, and they are influenced by us culture, even though they'd think otherwise.

Also, I doubt that once the cameras are off, it's as rosy as all that - I bet the community is riven with backstabbing, bitchiness, etc, just like any where else.

But, still, at least the try to obtain simple and pure lives "hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue" and all that.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:

the very concept of religion requires a gross distortion of logic to be accepted as reality to start with. Easy to reason anything how you like it once that distortion has been achieved.

Fair point; but someone who's grown up in such an environment may have a rather 'different' logical processes than us.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Temeluchus wrote:

the very concept of religion requires a gross distortion of logic to be accepted as reality to start with. Easy to reason anything how you like it once that distortion has been achieved.

Fair point; but someone who's grown up in such an environment may have a rather 'different' logical processes than us.



But when they turn 16 they can have rumspringa i.e. they can go and look and experience the outside world. Then they can decide to leave forever or return and live the Amish life.

Though tbh considering they aren't bombing people and agressively converting others I'm not too fussed tbh.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:

But when they turn 16 they can have rumspringa i.e. they can go and look and experience the outside world. Then they can decide to leave forever or return and live the Amish life.

The logic of people brought up with religion is often quite different and going to experience the outside world they may well, on their logical base, decide it's a place full of ungodly sinners that will go to hell.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

decide it's a place full of ungodly sinners that will go to hell.


Beats convert the unbeliever types though doesn't it?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

The logic of people brought up with religion is often quite different and going to experience the outside world they may well, on their logical base, decide it's a place full of ungodly sinners that will go to hell.


I don't think that is a 'religion thing' specifically. People are brought up with all sorts of beliefs and opinions and logics courtesy of what their parents think.

Take the religion out of it and a country kid could easily feel the 'big city' was scary and they'd rather stay in the village, especially if they've been told non-religious horror stories about it their whole life.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pushing irrational spiritual beliefs on impressionable children is tantamount to child abuse.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:

I don't think that is a 'religion thing' specifically. People are brought up with all sorts of beliefs and opinions and logics courtesy of what their parents think.


Thumbs Up .And very easy for that to cloud your immediate thoughts for ages after.

For example when I was a kid (probably 8 max) my mother told me the choke on the car was used to increase the amount of oil going round when cold. I know full well that this is rubbish (suppose you could stretch a point that more revs means more oil flow), but it is something that can still sometimes come to mind.

Multiply that by a large factor by being told stories over many years by many different people and it is easy to see how ingrained knowledge can easily overcome thought.

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PostPosted: 19:30 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i saw about 10mins of this and it confused me too.

chainsaw, plastic baskets, kid drinking a can of coke.. didn't seem Amish to me
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