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He's a nobber and a hero, a champion and a hypocrite. The thought of him having power scares me more than anything other than the thought of anyone else having power.
On this one, I fully agree with him, and I thank the Noodly Appendage that this didn't all kick off while Blair or Broon were in power, or we'd have handed over the remaining shreds of our sovereignty and economic policy control faster than a drunken chav giving up her virginity in the back of a stolen Fiesta. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Quote: | Now there are many in Berlin who hope that the idea of a "core Europe" will bring about accelerated integration and an important simplification of intergovernmental cooperation. Everyone agrees on the charm of the solution: The grumblers from Britain would finally be left out in the cold, and a United Europe could simply dismiss them should they oppose any further integration. "They'll be hopping mad," says Fischer, "but then they won't be able to cause trouble anymore, either
Giuliani is also banking on a core Europe, arguing that Great Britain and a number of smaller countries are blocking the path toward federalism. According to Giuliani, it is no longer acceptable that all countries have the same amount of say in the EU. "He who pays the piper calls the tune," says Giuliani. If Germany is to guarantee the debts of countries that have fudged their numbers in the past or have maneuvered themselves into difficulties, says Giuliani, it should also set the rules. He believes that the Germans and the French need to make sure they receive the necessary respect in the EU, and that those who don't want to participate can opt out. |
The EU is not going to implode sorry, its become clear they are letting the markets knock one undesirable government down after another, once they have there puppets and reforms in place they will give the go ahead with ECB backing - fuck just last week ze Germans were telling us we had to lose the pound for the euro sooner than we think They have it under control. |
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Yeah, can we keep in mind that he is as corrupt as the rest of them?
£2m Expenses Claims
Farage is windbag, his only interest is keeping his snout in the trough and there is nothing in that video that shows otherwise.
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Just saw this.
It is a slow day in a damp little Irish town. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the town, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers’ Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the pub.
The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him “services” on credit.
The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.
The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works. No quantitive easing.......No bankers............No problem. ____________________ W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair |
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| D O G wrote: | That is typically oversimplified bollocks for people to trawl out and think that it makes them look insightful, when really it makes them look a little bit daft. |
Uh, your internet connection dropped out before your explanation of why it's tosh made it through. Could you post it again please?
How is that different to bunging Greece or Ireland or one of the many other pikey nations a few billion in loans, looking the other way while they hand it out and grants and rake it back in taxes, and then demanding it back again?
I mean, other than that the aforementioned spongers welched on their debts and say "Loan, you say? Me so sorry, no speakee Europe", but I think we could see that coming. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Farage does a great job, however the mainstream media are determined to give out as much misinformation as possible! Take the BBC, they are forever trying to make subtle implication that UKIP and the BNP are kinda similar, when in fact the BNP are socialists and essentially old Labour warmed up, whereas UKIP are Conservative Libertarians...
| chrisw wrote: | Yeah, can we keep in mind that he is as corrupt as the rest of them?
£2m Expenses Claims
Farage is windbag, his only interest is keeping his snout in the trough and there is nothing in that video that shows otherwise. |
Interesting that they are more interested in bashing UKIP than discussing expenses, MSM are the most corrupt ones
Firstly he is not corrupt, but a nice bit of complete misinformation you have there! Firstly, most of that "expenses" is for paying staff to run a constituency office, not for duck houses or second homes. There is a basic salary which he gets. Then there are payments for flights, which are paid by the EU as being first class travel regardless of the actual method used, the MEP gets NO say in that at all. Then there is an attendance allowance, which actually rewards MEPs to stay in Brussels, and not the UK! There's plenty more about this online, but your link is disingenuous at best. Nigel Farage, Dan Hannan ect have been working to have expenses reformed, so to say they are corrupt is quite insulting to their work TBH, and similar accusations were made about you and your work I doubt you'd be too happy either.
So therefore others getting £2 million expenses include all members of the Green party, of the Liberal Democrat Party, of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the British National Party (Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons) ect!
They did however miss a good opportunity for some extra misinformation! The EU provides funding to big European parties within the parliament, and Nigel Farage is joint leader of one of those parties, namely the Freedom and Democracy Group. The parties are:
Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democrats)
Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament
Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
European Conservatives and Reformists Group
Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance
Confederal Group of the European United Left - Nordic Green Left
Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group
Now lets give Nigel Farage a chance to defend himself against these claims of corruption:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4lmuLI81SU
| bazza wrote: | Not too proud to take their money and allowances though, is he?
Grandstanding cunt. |
Ridiculous. He is paid to do a job. In fact, if he refuses to take the pay he will have to quit and get a different job, whilst the people you like continue to work in the EU and continue to waste our money. I can see though, why you would like your opposition to refuse pay and go bankrupt, but I don't think anyone is quite that stupid
| Joe wrote: | He knows he will never have power, he knows what he says won't make a blind bit of difference and that 99% of people don't care or will ever hear it, but I for one and glad he is there ripping into them.
Short of storming the EU, dragging them out, executing them all in the street, what else do we have? |
But he does have power, he is the co-leader of one of the big European parties. The leaders of the parties in the EU are:
Martin Schulz (French)
Joseph Daul (German)
Nigel Farage (English) and Francesco Speroni (Italian)
Lothar Bisky (German)
Daniel Cohn-Bendit (French) / Rebecca Harms (German)
Jan Zahradil (Czech)
Guy Verhofstadt (Belgian) |
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Farage does a great job, however the mainstream media are determined to give out as much misinformation as possible!
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I don't take the word of the media, I have heard him speak both recorded and on live-broadcasts; he is a windbag with nothing more to add to the 'debate' than his own opinion (which has just as little value as mine).
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Firstly he is not corrupt, but a nice bit of complete misinformation you have there! Firstly, most of that "expenses" is for paying staff to run a constituency office, not for duck houses or second homes.
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And that costs £2m does it? So he didn't squander a penny? Have you got a break-down of what he's spent to back that up?
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | There is a basic salary which he gets. Then there are payments for flights, which are paid by the EU as being first class travel regardless of the actual method used, the MEP gets NO say in that at all. Then there is an attendance allowance, which actually rewards MEPs to stay in Brussels, and not the UK! There's plenty more about this online, but your link is disingenuous at best.
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I'm not saying the EU is not just a wasteful money pit, but a £2m expenses bill is hardly 'sticking it to the man', it seems to me that he's just playing the game like the rest of them.
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Nigel Farage, Dan Hannan ect have been working to have expenses reformed, so to say they are corrupt is quite insulting to their work TBH, and similar accusations were made about you and your work I doubt you'd be too happy either.
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They are fighting so hard it cost the public purse £2m, that's a lot of fighting, what have they changed?
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | So therefore others getting £2 million expenses include all members of the Green party, of the Liberal Democrat Party, of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the British National Party (Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons) ect!
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And they are just as bad, they are not however, portraying themselves in the same way as Farage which is why he gets picked out for 'special treatment'.
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Now lets give Nigel Farage a chance to defend himself against these claims of corruption: |
No, becuase he's an arse. |
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It's like talking to a brick wall. Nigel Farage has not claimed 2 million in expenses because what he has been paid is NOT expenses. He is paid a salary (just like you!), and separately an accountant from the EU pays the salaries of staff to assist him in his duties in his constituency, since he serves millions of people and obviously can't deal with all of them. You are asking him to refuse his wage because he is opposed to European Union, which if he did would mean he would be dependent on sponsors for money, which you would also complain about! There is absolutely nothing wrong with an MEP (or MP) being paid to travel, or to have a second home, or employ staff, since they are generally required in order to do the job. What is not OK is claiming expenses that are not related to the job, such as a duck house or a moat. In any case, it is completely irrelevant as he will continue to get paid and will continue to oppose the European Union, and I'm quite confident he will be reelected again at the next election and I think he is doing a great service to his constituents which is more than can be said for most of them. |
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| fatpies wrote: | Or you'll be sent to die against [these Chinese robosoldiers] |
Easy, just shoot the controller, and the rest of them will power down.
I suspect treaty changes are coming, but at this point I wouldn't put money on whether it'll be devolution of national powers, or ein Volk, ein Europe, ein Presidente. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
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