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PostPosted: 02:45 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: A Barrage from Farage Reply with quote

https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/11/hot-must-see-nigel-farage-video-you.html
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too proud to take their money and allowances though, is he?

Grandstanding cunt.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:

Grandstanding cunt.


+1

Whilst I agree with what he says, in reality that is what anyone says out of power. He is a good PR man but would not want him leading this country.

Have you seen his policies around election time? Anyone can make those sort of promises when they know they aren't going to get voted in.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a nobber and a hero, a champion and a hypocrite. The thought of him having power scares me more than anything other than the thought of anyone else having power.

On this one, I fully agree with him, and I thank the Noodly Appendage that this didn't all kick off while Blair or Broon were in power, or we'd have handed over the remaining shreds of our sovereignty and economic policy control faster than a drunken chav giving up her virginity in the back of a stolen Fiesta.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

He knows he will never have power, he knows what he says won't make a blind bit of difference and that 99% of people don't care or will ever hear it, but I for one and glad he is there ripping into them.

Short of storming the EU, dragging them out, executing them all in the street, what else do we have?
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Short of storming the EU, dragging them out, executing them all in the street, what else do we have?


Do nothing, the EU is going to implode no matter what. The EU is trying to keep the status quo but are failing . Greece and Italy they replaced the prime ministers to keep the ponzi going. If the EU prints money then they still implode.

TBH I have an uneasy* feeling there is going to be some sort of revolution for better or worse. The divide of the pie has simply become far too uneven. It has always been uneven but in the past the majority received some left overs and some crumbs. Crumbs enough to live an OK life. Now even the crumbs are gone and people are getting angry. The crushing of protests is having the opposite effect like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4

It got the protestors out of the way, but it went online and made even more people angry. Which increases their support base. Bigger support base bigger crowds mean more brutal police actions. The moment the government brings out the guns then the masquerade that keeps society civil and changes the implied violence the government is based on to actual violence. Then its over.

*yes I know the irony, be careful what you wish for as you may get it.

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He's a nobber and a hero, a champion and a hypocrite. The thought of him having power scares me more than anything other than the thought of anyone else having power.


I dunno the thought of unelected EU people put into positions of power like the Greek prime minister and the forced removal of Burlisconi both replaced by unelected bankers kind of worries me more.

On a side note:

Did anybody see the BBC try to discredit him as a racist the other day? The interviewer pretty much insinuated that he was a little Englander anti German racist.

Here is the youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4EQAPRN7Dw

7 minutes 20 seconds,

BBC presenter calls him a racist, he shuts them down "I'm married to a German."
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will not see revolution in Europe. (Like that French one.)
You will see political/social unrest, pikeys and other scum complaining 'aht laahd'.
There is now no balance of power.
Not since that failed dictatoress Thatcher sold the Crown Jewels of the nation to the fat cats and prosecuted the trade unions (for complaining).

The establishment have the armoury and need not worry about what the Great Unwashed will do.
There is fuck-all left to save in Europe anyway, the clever money is already piled high in Asia/China.

All we should worry about is this 'the implosion of Europe' will create a vacuum that the Eastern block 'mafia' will fill.

That is a bigger worry for me.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now there are many in Berlin who hope that the idea of a "core Europe" will bring about accelerated integration and an important simplification of intergovernmental cooperation. Everyone agrees on the charm of the solution: The grumblers from Britain would finally be left out in the cold, and a United Europe could simply dismiss them should they oppose any further integration. "They'll be hopping mad," says Fischer, "but then they won't be able to cause trouble anymore, either

Giuliani is also banking on a core Europe, arguing that Great Britain and a number of smaller countries are blocking the path toward federalism. According to Giuliani, it is no longer acceptable that all countries have the same amount of say in the EU. "He who pays the piper calls the tune," says Giuliani. If Germany is to guarantee the debts of countries that have fudged their numbers in the past or have maneuvered themselves into difficulties, says Giuliani, it should also set the rules. He believes that the Germans and the French need to make sure they receive the necessary respect in the EU, and that those who don't want to participate can opt out.


The EU is not going to implode sorry, its become clear they are letting the markets knock one undesirable government down after another, once they have there puppets and reforms in place they will give the go ahead with ECB backing - fuck just last week ze Germans were telling us we had to lose the pound for the euro sooner than we think Laughing They have it under control.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
The EU is not going to implode sorry, its become clear they are letting the markets knock one undesirable government down after another, once they have there puppets and reforms in place they will give the go ahead with ECB backing - fuck just last week ze Germans were telling us we had to lose the pound for the euro sooner than we think Laughing They have it under control.


Thats what they hope, the problem is the gigantic debts. No matter what sort of austerity is imposed by Greece or even Italy their debts cannot be repaid at all.

Which means as time goes on the printing press is all the ECB has and that never works.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
The establishment have the armoury and need not worry about what the Great Unwashed will do.


Won't work, as I said above if the guns come out its an instant lose.

Also the army is far too small in the UK and Europe to 'pacify' the civilian population. Added to the fact that the army may well take issue with being ordered to massacre demonstrators.

100 years ago in Scotland they had a massive barracks outside a massive Glasgow demo. Instead they locked down the base and bought in English soldiers to do the skull cracking. As the government feared they would side with the strikers.

Same thing in Beijing in 89. Took 2 weeks to bring in soldiers from a distant province. Even though there was a massive and still is a massive garrison outside Beij.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats what they hope, the problem is the gigantic debts. No matter what sort of austerity is imposed by Greece or even Italy their debts cannot be repaid at all.

Which means as time goes on the printing press is all the ECB has and that never works.


Yea there debts can not be repaid at all, they will have to depend upon the institution that forced austerity on them in the first place to survive until the system can crawl no further, but to be able to depend upon them to the fullest degree, for the printing presses to get rolling, full integration to a super state is required......
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 22 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, can we keep in mind that he is as corrupt as the rest of them?

£2m Expenses Claims

Farage is windbag, his only interest is keeping his snout in the trough and there is nothing in that video that shows otherwise.


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PostPosted: 22:07 - 22 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saw this.

It is a slow day in a damp little Irish town. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the town, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.

The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers’ Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the pub.

The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him “services” on credit.

The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.

The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works. No quantitive easing.......No bankers............No problem.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 25 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is typically oversimplified bollocks for people to trawl out and think that it makes them look insightful, when really it makes them look a little bit daft.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 25 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
That is typically oversimplified bollocks for people to trawl out and think that it makes them look insightful, when really it makes them look a little bit daft.


Uh, your internet connection dropped out before your explanation of why it's tosh made it through. Could you post it again please?

How is that different to bunging Greece or Ireland or one of the many other pikey nations a few billion in loans, looking the other way while they hand it out and grants and rake it back in taxes, and then demanding it back again?

I mean, other than that the aforementioned spongers welched on their debts and say "Loan, you say? Me so sorry, no speakee Europe", but I think we could see that coming.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 29 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh guys I am pretty sure that video was recorded about a year ago? Or is this just a VERY similar speech to one he has already done.

Shame he is quite so racist because otherwise it was awesome.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 30 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farage does a great job, however the mainstream media are determined to give out as much misinformation as possible! Take the BBC, they are forever trying to make subtle implication that UKIP and the BNP are kinda similar, when in fact the BNP are socialists and essentially old Labour warmed up, whereas UKIP are Conservative Libertarians...

chrisw wrote:
Yeah, can we keep in mind that he is as corrupt as the rest of them?

£2m Expenses Claims

Farage is windbag, his only interest is keeping his snout in the trough and there is nothing in that video that shows otherwise.


Interesting that they are more interested in bashing UKIP than discussing expenses, MSM are the most corrupt ones Wink

Firstly he is not corrupt, but a nice bit of complete misinformation you have there! Firstly, most of that "expenses" is for paying staff to run a constituency office, not for duck houses or second homes. There is a basic salary which he gets. Then there are payments for flights, which are paid by the EU as being first class travel regardless of the actual method used, the MEP gets NO say in that at all. Then there is an attendance allowance, which actually rewards MEPs to stay in Brussels, and not the UK! There's plenty more about this online, but your link is disingenuous at best. Nigel Farage, Dan Hannan ect have been working to have expenses reformed, so to say they are corrupt is quite insulting to their work TBH, and similar accusations were made about you and your work I doubt you'd be too happy either.

So therefore others getting £2 million expenses include all members of the Green party, of the Liberal Democrat Party, of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the British National Party (Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons) ect!

They did however miss a good opportunity for some extra misinformation! The EU provides funding to big European parties within the parliament, and Nigel Farage is joint leader of one of those parties, namely the Freedom and Democracy Group. The parties are:

Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democrats)
Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament
Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
European Conservatives and Reformists Group
Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance
Confederal Group of the European United Left - Nordic Green Left
Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group

Now lets give Nigel Farage a chance to defend himself against these claims of corruption:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4lmuLI81SU

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Not too proud to take their money and allowances though, is he?

Grandstanding cunt.


Ridiculous. He is paid to do a job. In fact, if he refuses to take the pay he will have to quit and get a different job, whilst the people you like continue to work in the EU and continue to waste our money. I can see though, why you would like your opposition to refuse pay and go bankrupt, but I don't think anyone is quite that stupid Wink

Joe wrote:
He knows he will never have power, he knows what he says won't make a blind bit of difference and that 99% of people don't care or will ever hear it, but I for one and glad he is there ripping into them.

Short of storming the EU, dragging them out, executing them all in the street, what else do we have?


But he does have power, he is the co-leader of one of the big European parties. The leaders of the parties in the EU are:

Martin Schulz (French)
Joseph Daul (German)
Nigel Farage (English) and Francesco Speroni (Italian)
Lothar Bisky (German)
Daniel Cohn-Bendit (French) / Rebecca Harms (German)
Jan Zahradil (Czech)
Guy Verhofstadt (Belgian)
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 30 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Farage does a great job, however the mainstream media are determined to give out as much misinformation as possible!


I don't take the word of the media, I have heard him speak both recorded and on live-broadcasts; he is a windbag with nothing more to add to the 'debate' than his own opinion (which has just as little value as mine).

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Firstly he is not corrupt, but a nice bit of complete misinformation you have there! Firstly, most of that "expenses" is for paying staff to run a constituency office, not for duck houses or second homes.


And that costs £2m does it? So he didn't squander a penny? Have you got a break-down of what he's spent to back that up?

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
There is a basic salary which he gets. Then there are payments for flights, which are paid by the EU as being first class travel regardless of the actual method used, the MEP gets NO say in that at all. Then there is an attendance allowance, which actually rewards MEPs to stay in Brussels, and not the UK! There's plenty more about this online, but your link is disingenuous at best.


I'm not saying the EU is not just a wasteful money pit, but a £2m expenses bill is hardly 'sticking it to the man', it seems to me that he's just playing the game like the rest of them.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Nigel Farage, Dan Hannan ect have been working to have expenses reformed, so to say they are corrupt is quite insulting to their work TBH, and similar accusations were made about you and your work I doubt you'd be too happy either.


They are fighting so hard it cost the public purse £2m, that's a lot of fighting, what have they changed?

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
So therefore others getting £2 million expenses include all members of the Green party, of the Liberal Democrat Party, of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the British National Party (Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons) ect!


And they are just as bad, they are not however, portraying themselves in the same way as Farage which is why he gets picked out for 'special treatment'.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Now lets give Nigel Farage a chance to defend himself against these claims of corruption:


No, becuase he's an arse.
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PostPosted: 04:43 - 01 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like talking to a brick wall. Nigel Farage has not claimed 2 million in expenses because what he has been paid is NOT expenses. He is paid a salary (just like you!), and separately an accountant from the EU pays the salaries of staff to assist him in his duties in his constituency, since he serves millions of people and obviously can't deal with all of them. You are asking him to refuse his wage because he is opposed to European Union, which if he did would mean he would be dependent on sponsors for money, which you would also complain about! There is absolutely nothing wrong with an MEP (or MP) being paid to travel, or to have a second home, or employ staff, since they are generally required in order to do the job. What is not OK is claiming expenses that are not related to the job, such as a duck house or a moat. In any case, it is completely irrelevant as he will continue to get paid and will continue to oppose the European Union, and I'm quite confident he will be reelected again at the next election and I think he is doing a great service to his constituents which is more than can be said for most of them.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems apropos to note that ze Germans have started a new phase in European integration... "We must take concrete steps towards a fiscal union [...] We need budget discipline and effective crisis management mechanisms. So we need to change the treaties or create new treaties."

Anyone else get a shiver down their back hearing that? Try it in a German accent, and imagine some podium thumping. Pale
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 02 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Anyone else get a shiver down their back hearing that? Try it in a German accent, and imagine some podium thumping. Pale


Nah don't worry you'll get a vote on it Laughing , loads and loads and LOADS of votes. Till you vote the correct way.

I'd not worry though tbh, the OWS and Occupy movements are actually getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. In the USA even the skull crackers the cops are starting to defect over to the OWS side publicly. It'll all implode before it gets to that stage.

Or you'll be sent to die against these boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLzgPa28Ds
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PostPosted: 04:25 - 03 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treaty changes are the only way out.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Or you'll be sent to die against [these Chinese robosoldiers]


Easy, just shoot the controller, and the rest of them will power down.

I suspect treaty changes are coming, but at this point I wouldn't put money on whether it'll be devolution of national powers, or ein Volk, ein Europe, ein Presidente.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 03 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will be related to control over national budgets in return for being bank rolled by the ECB - apparently everything is naturally flowing towards a coordinated union in which euro bonds just happen to be the end result, so there doing nothing more than taking part in what's already naturally happening but at the same time there not, this is not about control or handing over sovereignty, even sarkozy says, so they will have powers to control more but at the same time, its not like that, and also, there against euro bonds.
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