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chris clifton
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 13 Dec 2011    Post subject: Yamaha YBR 125 2009 not starting Reply with quote

Hi Everyone. Can any one help me. I purchased a yamaha ybr 125 2009, fuel injection last week. I started my journey from where i bought it at Weston Super Mare. All was good, bike riding as it should be. I got to the far side of bristol and stopped at traffic lights. The bike cut out. I tried restarting it but to no avail. 3 different guys stopped to try to help, one in particular who was with me for a good couple of hours but still would not start. In the end a recovery vehicle was called. When he arrived, the bike started. I still got him to recover me to home just in case. Got home and she started. Have since tried restarting the bike but no use. She turns over, also by putting a charger on to ensure a full spark. Have changed the spark plug but still not firing up. The fuel pump is working and flowing through as i disconnected the fuel line at the injector side and petrol came through. What i have just noticed is that with the ignition on, the engine management light is flashing what i can only assume is a fault code. it flashes 3 times slowly then 3 times quickly then 3 times slowly etc. Has any one got any ideas what is going on and how to remedy this issue. Thanks in advance. Chris
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 13 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive had a quick look online but i cant find anyone with the same fault code that you're getting.

As you only got the bike last week presuming you got it from a dealer i would get them to look at it. If not ask a yamaha dealer what the code means.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 13 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

at106 wrote:
Ive had a quick look online but i cant find anyone with the same fault code that you're getting.

As you only got the bike last week presuming you got it from a dealer i would get them to look at it. If not ask a yamaha dealer what the code means.


Hi. Thanks for the reply, i bought it privately so no go back. Did ride great for a good number of miles.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 13 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the codes in my tool box, i'll dig them out tomorrow for you.

As the bike is 09 and has had a great deal of use it's likely that either one of the wires has broken somewhere or that a plug/connector has corroded up causing your failed starting.

These bikes don't normally go wrong and i've never had an error code on one.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 13 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUG wrote:
I have the codes in my tool box, i'll dig them out tomorrow for you.

As the bike is 09 and has had a great deal of use it's likely that either one of the wires has broken somewhere or that a plug/connector has corroded up causing your failed starting.

These bikes don't normally go wrong and i've never had an error code on one.


Hi TUG. Thanks for that. look forward to hearing from you again. Chris
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

not had a chance to sort out the error codes, busy fixing my bike.
I have to bypass my sidestand switch tomorrow so i will make sure i pick up the codes for you.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going by the Haynes book... a code of 33 (3 long flashes, 3 short flashes) is the ignition coil and the engine will not run. Possible causes are a fault in the wiring (corrosion, break in cable etc), faulty coil, faulty ignition cut off circuit or faulty ECU. Thumbs Up Start by checking and cleaning up the wiring and connectors.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 18 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mate TUG, you stil got those error codes?
Getting a pulsing neutral light atm

Looking for the haynes online, gonna buy one off ebay when I can
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 18 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Pulsing neutral is a simple one, low battery.

Headlights probbably pulse with it, occasional flashing of engine management and piss poor idle are also symptoms. Also will run fine and randomly cut out at lights and stuff.

Ybr's do some fucking wacky things when the battery gets low. If it keeps it up then either new battery or new reg/rec (silver box with heatsink fins on it, directly under petrol tank on the LHS of bike. Approximately 5cm x 5cm. Four wires i belive on a multi plug facing the back of the bike.) Need to swap mine out...paddy, joolz and sid will vouch for this Laughing

Take it out for an hour and redline every single gearchange. Rag the absolute fuck out of it. If that doesnt remedy it then stuff needs swapping out!


You're a leg-end mate Thumbs Up Karma

I've had it on charge for the last 2 hours, at 12v atm, gonna see how it feels in the morning, see if it magically loses all charge or something..

Rectifier eh, I think I eyed that earlier, yeah, hokay.
I think the battery i sknackered from being on it's side a fair few times Embarassed
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 18 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the battery i sknackered from being on it's side a fair few times Embarassed


If it's a gel cell it should have coped fine. Get yourself a cheap multimeter if you're fiddling with electrics. One with a continuity buzzer is great for dealing with bad connections in shitty wiring. It'll pay for itself quick enough and save on frustration and time.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
I think the battery i sknackered from being on it's side a fair few times Embarassed


If it's a gel cell it should have coped fine. Get yourself a cheap multimeter if you're fiddling with electrics. One with a continuity buzzer is great for dealing with bad connections in shitty wiring. It'll pay for itself quick enough and save on frustration and time.


I'm using a multimeter at the moment.
When I started the power from the battery terminals was 6v (it's a 12v battery) and same through the ignition wires, 6.66v Twisted Evil

I charged it and it went to 13v, left it over night it's between 11 and 12v this morning, but now wont start at all, can try kicking it and the electric starter makes the chuggachugga sound, but it's not starting, and the neutral light is pulsing

Yet the lights are brightish and I think the injector made its whirry bootup noise

Can't get it to start by kick anyway
Was an acid type battery, the default one, it's opaque balck so I cant look through it to see if the cells look cloudy at all

Not sure if it's the rectifier, the battery, the ECU or something else

Managed to rag it up and down the road after sorting my cam chain timings out, that seems to have fixed the gears sticking, and I changed the oil which was blaaaaaaaaaaack and nasty
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

New battery time by the sounds of it. What's the voltage on the battery when the engine is running and you open the throttle to around 5'000rpm? Should see 13.something which means the alternator and reg/rec is working. A battery should hold something like 12.7V when fully charged and not drop much below. Certainly not to 11V.

The battery in the 2007+ YBR is a gel lead acid type, sealed and maintenance free, so you don't need to top it up with distilled water, check its breather hose or measure specific gravity of the electrolyte. I still have the original battery (which did need all that maintenance) from my 2005 YBR which still holds a good charge after 7 years!
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
New battery time by the sounds of it. What's the voltage on the battery when the engine is running and you open the throttle to around 5'000rpm? Should see 13.something which means the alternator and reg/rec is working. A battery should hold something like 12.7V when fully charged and not drop much below. Certainly not to 11V.

The battery in the 2007+ YBR is a gel lead acid type, sealed and maintenance free, so you don't need to top it up with distilled water, check its breather hose or measure specific gravity of the electrolyte. I still have the original battery (which did need all that maintenance) from my 2005 YBR which still holds a good charge after 7 years!


When I use the electric start the voltage drops to 4 lol.
When I started the bike up with the charger attached to the battery it idled higher, when you switch the charger off you can actively hear it struggling to tick over, then it stalls usually.

I can't get it to tick over without the charger I don't think.. i'm at work now (bus Crying or Very sad) so will try and diagnose it some more when i'm home later. From what I remember when I could get it idling, giving it some throttle did indeed bring the volts up to 13v

I was thinking of getting one of these https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/ybr_125_fuel_injection/07-09/picture/battery_motobatt_sealed_high_torque/

Hoping it's not the alternator...any other diagnostics I can do?

Can anyone find the service manual for 2009 YBR? Can't find it for the life of me, only the carb model Mad

Gonna buy the haynes.

Edit: Haynes manual ordered, motobatt ordered, let's hope that helps, if not, i'll send the bugger back. My spreadshirt.com paid out so got £70 in my paypal for free Cool
For my reference when i'm home https://www.ymenvom.nl/new/manuals/U3D9E2.PDF
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that you're getting around 13 volts when you rev means the charging system is doing okay. The fact that your battery isn't holding a charge from a separate charger makes it look like it's the culprit.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
The fact that you're getting around 13 volts when you rev means the charging system is doing okay. The fact that your battery isn't holding a charge from a separate charger makes it look like it's the culprit.


Thanks, I hope so Thumbs Up
Will update when i've got it Karma

PS. How did you write off your YBR?
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 19 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone changed lanes into me on a roundabout last April - their fault but they dispute it, so it's due in court in November...
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