|
|
| Author |
Message |
| Mac_Black |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Mac_Black
World Chat Champion
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
Karma :  
|
 Posted: 07:52 - 16 Dec 2011  Post subject: Jap gov spend $30m of relief fund to protect whaling fleet. |
 |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
   |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Kwaks |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Kwaks
I'm not a fast rider
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Karma : 
|
Posted: 14:27 - 16 Dec 2011  Post subject: |
|
|
Just because you give aid, it does not mean you can dictate their culture.
____________________
Fallen Angel "Nae sniffing my seat now!!!!! "
www.cliqueycuntsmcc.co.uk
I AM NOT A FAST RIDER!!!!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg
nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Karma : 
|
Posted: 16:01 - 16 Dec 2011  Post subject: |
|
|
Actually, that generally is the deal when you pay someone money.
If you don't want your culture dictated, don't accept handouts.
____________________
Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| pepperami |
This post is not being displayed .
|
pepperami
Super Spammer
Joined: 17 Jan 2010
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Mac_Black |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Mac_Black
World Chat Champion
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
Karma :
|
| Posted: 18:30 - 16 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| Kwaks wrote: | Just because you give aid, it does not mean you can dictate their culture. |
I don't believe it should, I don't believe people should be bought in such a way.
But whilst I don't agree with whaling, the point here is that many who have given have not done so reckoning that their money
would go to a cause that they may well disagree with (if say, Western which is where I can assume a great percentage of the aid comes from).
But Whaling aside, this is just wrong IMO, if Aid is meant to help a nation recover then it's expected that it will be use to house,
Feed and treat the effected, rebuild vital infrastructure and provide education to the children etc.
Not some bullshit "oh it will be good for the economy" ploy, like justifying this by saying that if the season is good then coastal regions stand to profit,
Or building Casinos or McDonald's restaurants to create "local growth and opportunities".
Other examples of aid misuse, mistakes and losses:
Somalia famine aid stolen.
"The U.N.'s World Food Program for the first time acknowledged it has been investigating food theft in Somalia for two months.
The WFP said that the "scale and intensity" of the famine crisis does not allow for a suspension of assistance, saying that doing so would lead to "many unnecessary deaths."
And the aid is not even safe once it has been distributed to families huddled in the makeshift camps popping up around the capital.
Families at the large, government-run Badbado camp, where several aid groups have been distributing food,
said they were often forced to hand back aid after journalists had taken photos of them with it."
During operation desert storm I believe the same thing happened, Militias raided red cross relief centres shooting and stealing the
food provided to feed themselves, or presumably to sell back to the local populace.
2005 Pakistan earthquake.
"According to senior officials, schools, hospitals, houses and roads planned with money given by foreign governments and
international aid groups remain unbuilt almost five years after the earthquake which killed 80,000 and left four million people homeless.
International donors gave £3.5 billion to rebuild vast swaths of Pakistan's Kashmir and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa provinces after the earthquake destroyed the region's infrastructure.
However, senior Pakistani officials yesterday said more than £300 million given in aid has yet to be handed over to the country's Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority (ERRA)."
India, sponsor a child.
"In 2004, Jerry Almeida, then the fundraising director of ActionAid India,
Was shocked to discover an office in the garage of their Bangalore headquarters where some of the staff were penning letters in a child's scrawl.
The letters were sent out to individual donors all over the world, allegedly written by the Indian children people were paying to sponsor.
The forgeries were far from the personalized interaction that the charity led the sponsors to believe."
Why Foreign Aid Has Failed To Lift Africa Out Of Poverty.
"In these particular cases, what the aid had done was to widen the gap between a poorly starving African and a
beer-bellied senior civil servant entrusted with donor sponsored poverty reduction programmes.
Sometimes a ten-classroom school would be built. The cost of each classroom would officially be put at £3500 or thereabouts,
but it would be built with half the amount, the balance going into the wrong people’s ever hungry pockets.
A year later, when the long rains set in, the school buildings would start crumbling.
Senior civil servants overseeing the construction of a number of such schools in different parts of the country would write sweet reports for consumption by unsuspecting donors.
The officials would pay themselves a daily £100 or so each per day for attending meetings to deliberate on the future of school construction plans, the meetings being conveniently held twice a week.
Those involved in the implementation of the projects would compete against each other in buying ultramodern Toyota Land Cruisers,
Japanese brand fuel guzzlers that no honest civil servant in a poor nation could afford even if it meant hoarding a whole lifetime’s salary.
One of them would happily shout at a pub how he would pay a staggering £30,000 the following week for his son or daughter to study at a prestigious university in London or South Africa.
He would do so while juggling his Iphone in one hand and Blackberry in the other.
The conversation would be incomplete if he forgot to brag about his plan to buy a new house in a posh neighbourhood for his newly found long-legged mistress, a mere 20 years old.
“Small change” – coming to a few thousand pounds – would then be deposited in an offshore account somewhere in Europe or the Americas.
President Jakaya Kikwete of Tanzania, a popular name with the West, admitted months ago that about 30 per cent of the government’s national budget got “lost” through corruption and embezzlement.
He was in fact talking of an amount equivalent to the country’s annual budget support, a warning that the system in use had serious shortcomings and called for urgent review."
So in short, if half of your money isn't drying up through administration or PR/advertising costs before it's even got to intended destination,
Then you've got unscrupulous businessmen, cheating charidee workers, militias, corrupt government officials and blundering bureaucrats
who do their very best to make sure that the monies will be diverted to evil/stupid/inappropriate recipients.
You have to be fucking stupid to want to donate.
Don't get me started on how the money our government spends could be better used here.
Foreign aid?
https://www.jack-frost.co.uk/fonejacker/fonejacker_george_agdgdgwngo_4.jpg
Cheers,
Mac. |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| ThoughtContro... |
This post is not being displayed .
|
ThoughtContro...
World Chat Champion
Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Karma : 
|
| Posted: 19:04 - 16 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
Save the whales from those inscrutable slanty eyed gits sez BCF, that pinnacle of altruistic virtues and home of hardcore vegans.
"But it's all about conservation", cry the lovers of the processed cow menu at Maccy Ds, "Who's arsed about killing things, we just wanna save the planet. Biodiversity, David Attenborough an all that good shit".
You'll be protesting about the rapid decline of the fragile cod population then, currently on the brink of collapse? Boycott chippies everywhere, ban the fish finger butty, it's unethical!
"But noez it's all about foreign aid. Why should they get money to provide jobs for their local economy how they see fit, the sponging parasites".
Hats off to Al Shabaab al Mujahadin then, those beardies of lofty principles, that refused foreign aid for Somalis, and chose instead to let the people starve to death. Such noble principles. Such determination to eliminate the dependency culture. Now theres something to admire.
https://sooyaalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alshabaab-new2.jpg
____________________
Prize cunt
--
"In a world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| pepperami |
This post is not being displayed .
|
pepperami
Super Spammer
Joined: 17 Jan 2010
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Mac_Black |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Mac_Black
World Chat Champion
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
Karma :
|
| Posted: 14:05 - 17 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | Save the whales from those inscrutable slanty eyed gits sez BCF, that pinnacle of altruistic virtues and home of hardcore vegans. |
I don't agree with it, like I don't agree with eating dog or hunting elephants for ivory.
I think because the like of these creatures are more scarce in number,
If our population was lesser then the occasional elephant hunt would be fine IMO.
I wouldn't ever eat dog, all I have to say on that one.
But then I don't have a say and I don't really wish to.
| Quote: | "But it's all about conservation", cry the lovers of the processed cow menu at Maccy Ds, "Who's arsed about killing things, we just wanna save the planet. Biodiversity, David Attenborough an all that good shit". |
It's about people's investment actually being used for the use implied at the point at which charities or governments take the peoples money. Simples.
It would be nice if we could lessen the rape of the planet, but then I don't really buy into all this man made global warming shite and
I've learned from BCF alone that it's impossible to get us all to agree, so really I might as well not give a rats arse about the fact we are screwing ourselves.
| Quote: | You'll be protesting about the rapid decline of the fragile cod population then, currently on the brink of collapse? Boycott chippies everywhere, ban the fish finger butty, it's unethical! |
Overpopulation, too much demand etc.
If COD goes then surely there will be an effect further up the food chain...
Casual gamers everywhere will be devastated and Battle Field players will have no one to mock . 
| Quote: | "But noez it's all about foreign aid. Why should they get money to provide jobs for their local economy how they see fit, the sponging parasites". |
They should build their own economy based on what resources and manpower is available to them,
I'm not saying that it's sponging because I can see how could help in theory but expanding corporate interests is not the same as helping our the poor.
In any case, our government should find ME work before they worry about someone in another country,
because it's not that someone else who they expect to contribute here, it's not that someone else that they supposedly represent..
It's not that someone else that the government has been entrusted to "look after".
| Quote: | Hats off to Al Shabaab al Mujahadin then, those beardies of lofty principles, that refused foreign aid for Somalis, and chose instead to let the people starve to death.
Such noble principles. Such determination to eliminate the dependency culture. Now theres something to admire. |
What am I even expected to say to that?
Religious fucking nutjobs, like much of the world, fighting a holy war?
They brand the organisations offering aid as having ulterior motives, and dya know what? There probably right with that at least.
Take our aid, now owe us for decades, and become us.. lazy desensitized slobs.
Cheers,
Mac.
Last edited by Mac_Black on 10:28 - 19 Dec 2011; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Skudd |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Skudd
Super Spammer
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Karma : 
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| McJamweasel |
This post is not being displayed .
|
McJamweasel
BCF Junkie
Joined: 22 Mar 2002
Karma :  
|
| Posted: 15:28 - 18 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Whales, what pisses me off is that we donated money to Japan at all! They're one of the richest countries in the world, only a few thousand $ GDP per capita behind us and nowhere near the levels where we need to be supporting them.
Actually, this proves my point. If they really needed the aid money then it wouldn't have gone on some fishing boats.
[edit]They're actually much higher than us in the List of countries by Human Development Index.
____________________
BCF: Be yourself, just don't be an arse. |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| G |
This post is not being displayed .
|
G
The Voice of Reason
Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma : 
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Mac_Black |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Mac_Black
World Chat Champion
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
Karma :
|
| Posted: 10:29 - 19 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
Where was 'we' mentioned? 
Cheers,
Mac. |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| G |
This post is not being displayed .
|
G
The Voice of Reason
Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| stinkwheel |
This post is not being displayed .
|
stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist
Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :
|
| Posted: 13:14 - 19 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
We only have Greenpeaces word for this, repeated by the Guardian Newspaper and IFAW.
Greenpeace are not what I would consider a reliable source.
They are a bunch of lefty hippies with their own political agenda and are absolutely not above resorting to lies, coersion and violence to achieve it. I suspect they probably instigated the viral email that triggered this post.
I find it inconceivable that the Japanese could spend US$30M on security for one whaling boat.
I suspect they may have spent that much on supporting their coastal fishing fleet, of which the one whaler is a part, and which was one of the dominant industries in the most badly hit areas.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| multijoy |
This post is not being displayed .
|
multijoy
World Chat Champion
Joined: 03 Oct 2008
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg
nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| kawashima |
This post is not being displayed .
|
kawashima
World Chat Champion
Joined: 03 May 2005
Karma :
|
| Posted: 16:49 - 19 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
|
|
| Rogerborg wrote: | | stinkwheel wrote: | We only have Greenpeaces word for this, repeated by the Guardian Newspaper and IFAW. |
AFP source.
But I agree with the sentiment. If Greenpeace told me that only two things smell of fish, I'd want to conduct my own research to verify it. |
Nearly same though, translation of some article.
The 3rd supplemental budgets which passed in November for arthquake disaster reconstruction includes 23billion yen.
This budget was requested by Fisheries Agency. And spent for "Foundation" named Japan whale research institute,
and used for "compensation of whale meat sales" and "countermeasure to deal with deliberate act of sabotage(by
Sea Shepherd)"
The budget should have been spent for something different.
____________________
own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| Nick__C |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Nick__C
World Chat Champion
Joined: 06 Oct 2008
Karma : 
|
|
| Back to top |
| |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
| mistergixer |
This post is not being displayed .
|
mistergixer
World Chat Champion
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Karma :
|
|
| Back to top |
 |
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 113 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
 |
|
|
Help & FAQs
Search BCF
Members
Groups
Events Calendar
rating
rating