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Wafer_Thin_Ham
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Another car v bike Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqSphrFyFy8&feature=related

Not actually that comparible because of the conditions.

Faceless bike rider is actually John JP Pearson, and I can't believe that someone that's into high performance cars is scared of a bike.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another car vs bike round a track where conditions are crap. Never seen a video like that where conditions have been such that a decent comparison can be made. I mean the bike was absolutely crawling round the corners and I'm not surprised, a wet and leafy track.

And yeah, the presenter made it sound as if you have to have a screw loose to get on a bike. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In real life I'd always choose bike for fun and car for work (well, with my job in particular lol).

Bike is faster, not traffic affected, costs less and decent on fuel.
Car is safer, dryer (it is Britain after all), warmer and can fit your mother in law in the boot.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilyan wrote:
In real life I'd always choose bike for fun and car for work (well, with my job in particular lol).

Bike is faster, not traffic affected, costs less and decent on fuel.
Car is safer, dryer (it is Britain after all), warmer and can fit your mother in law in the boot.


not sure i agree on the 'decent on fuel' bit. All the bikes i've had have been worse on fuel than most cars. especially the SP-1
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 10 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:


not sure i agree on the 'decent on fuel' bit. All the bikes i've had have been worse on fuel than most cars. especially the SP-1


Always an emotive debate.

If you compare like with like performance wise, show was a 180mph sub three second 0-60 car that'll return a real 40mpg.

(No the Porsche 918 doesn't count as it's been designed in a way to fool the tests. Laughing )
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

No sports car should ever be able to beat a super sports bike.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:
No sports car should ever be able to beat a super sports bike.


Well that's a well reasoned and substantially backed up debate. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On real roads with other traffic, bigger bikes easily outpace any car purely by being able to overtake quicker and filter through gaps where a wider car could not.
This applies on every type of road from single track to motorway.
With a car you'll be safer in less grippy condition though.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
On real roads with other traffic, bigger bikes easily outpace any car purely by being able to overtake quicker and filter through gaps where a wider car could not.
This applies on every type of road from single track to motorway.
With a car you'll be safer in less grippy condition though.


Driving fast on the road is very much about how many risks you're prepared to take, and how much you're prepared to break the law by.

Although I agree with you, on the public road a bike is usually quicker.

However on your unknown deserted B road with equally skilled drivers/riders I don't think it's so clear cut. I'm not convinced a superbike would be that much quicker point to point than something like a Nissan GTR.

The only real comparison we can do is at the Norschleife, where a ZX10R chalks up a 7 min 50, and a Nissan GTR hits back with 7 min 24. Both stock.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

The only real comparison we can do is at the Norschleife, where a ZX10R chalks up a 7 min 50, and a Nissan GTR hits back with 7 min 24. Both stock.


So as far as bang per buck is concerned those 26 secs cost the owner of the Nissan £60K over and above the price of the Kwaka.

Whereabouts in the "Bang per Buck scale" does the car overtake the bike, 30, 40, 50K?
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PostPosted: 02:43 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the road I've never had a bike pull away from me through the corners when I've been in a decent car. My Impreza would eat superbikes for breakfast on twisty country roads but lose out massively on straights (obviously). I've had to back off and almost cruise when I've been pushing on and come up behind a bike that thinks I'm racing him. Just can't push a bike that hard on the road plus most bikers can't get to 70% of their bikes capabilities (just look at the typical tyre wear on a row of bikes in a parking bay) whereas any enthusiastic car driver can push their car to 90% or even 95% with little real skill.

On track, the lap times I get on my bike are much quicker than in my car but I've never had a properly fast car so in conclusion...who knows. I suspect the car has a massive advantage in braking and perhaps slight cornering advantage but until you get up to supercar performance, on most tracks the bike might win by making up so much time under acceleration. I highly doubt I'd beat an Ariel Atom on my ZX6R but maybe on a litre bike...
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:


So as far as bang per buck is concerned those 26 secs cost the owner of the Nissan £60K over and above the price of the Kwaka.

Whereabouts in the "Bang per Buck scale" does the car overtake the bike, 30, 40, 50K?


The cost arguement is always one that's bandied about, and there's probably no real counter arguement to that, that I can think of anyway. At least until Nissan GTRs get to £10k. Razz

That is of course until you start looking at the Caterfield/Radical type cars. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep...as above. I reckon you could buy a car for the price of an R1 that would be quicker round a track.

I think the cost argument is a little pointless anyway, they're totally different things. Best "bang for buck" would be running (in bare feet to avoid including the cost of trainers).
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