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PostPosted: 12:41 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Biking related: Very Worthy Charity Cause Reply with quote

How much of the donated money will go to the charity and how much will be spent paying expenses for the riders to go on a jolly?
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the cancer research uk where the ceo alone is on over £140k per year?
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome to the forum.

I'm sure you came here to join the community, and not just to try and get us to part with some of our hard earned. After all, it's not like your first post on the forum was one asking us for money......oh, wait, it was.

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Biking related: Very Worthy Charity Cause Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
How much of the donated money will go to the charity and how much will be spent paying expenses for the riders to go on a jolly?


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PostPosted: 13:20 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

on their website it says all of it, though riding 250cc scooters around isn't exactly a hardship, 50cc's maybe
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

But to be fair to them it sounds like an extremely risky and daring adventure:

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We had set ourselves a budget of around £1000 for each scooter. This prevented us buying a new scooter with the luxury of breakdown cover and reliability. It also adds to the challenge.

We had thought about 125cc scoots, but decided that they just wouldn't be up to the schedule we had planned. So the challenge would be done on 250cc scooters. With the top speed of 75mph downhill with a tail wind we thought this is as small as we could go


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PostPosted: 13:40 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What scooters could we buy to make the challenge truly unbearable?

We had set ourselves a budget of around £1000 for each scooter. This prevented us buying a new scooter with the luxury of breakdown cover and reliability. It also adds to the challenge.


So, they've gone out and spent £2000 on scooters specifically to ride them to raise £2000 for chaaaridy?

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PostPosted: 13:40 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

So....that extra 10mph between a 125 and a 250 scoot going to make all the difference?

Must admit, when they said scoots, I also thought they were going to be doing it on 50s, which would have been a challenge.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
Is this the cancer research uk where the ceo alone is on over £140k per year?


Lucrative business this charity malarkey.

Check out 'Alex Hughes', CEO for the salvation army. What a bro.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, with his house, car, insurance and council tax paid for by the SA?
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that stuff is worth a couple of grand at the most, he is still taking a low salary for a CEO position.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All that stuff is worth a couple of grand at the most, he is still taking a low salary for a CEO position.


True, but we're talking about Cancer Research here. The scooterists are attempting to cover 1/70th of its CEO's annual swill budget. Add in the PR, lobbyists, HR and other assorted admin snouts, and it all seems a bit futile.

Quite seriously, if you want to help cure cancer you'd be better off shoving some tenners in an envelope marked "FOR SCIENCE" and leaving it lying around the local university research lab.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:28 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
Is this the cancer research uk where the ceo alone is on over £170k per year?



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PostPosted: 14:31 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My neighbour collects clothes, cooking utensils, basically any old crap we normally dump in a land fill.
A couple of times a year she crates it all up, takes it on a plane to Jamaica, taxis it to her 'wrong side of the tracks' village and hands the stuff directly to the poor, ie. people in rags living in tin shacks. Thumbs Up

She pays for it all herself. Thumbs Up

That's proper charity work. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't agree more. This stunt is just a self funding publicity exercise, I am just unsure of the stooges came up with the idea themselves. They are visiting BMW garages...lolwut, please at least a little subtlety guys. Am I to assume you will be selling the peds at the end to further fund the fight against man made disease? No? Free peds all round, woohoo.

Christ peds are so fucking gay they make me want to projectile chunder a fountain of barf vertically just so it will gravity feed into my own eyes and ears so I dun have to see or hear them no more. The accounts bloke at my work has a ped. He thinks it is the zenith of human engineering. All 300CC, fuel injected, 12 inch wheels worth of it. He has the audacity to call my '84 xt600 a 'tatty hobo bike'. Anyway...

The point is the SA chairman is taking a wage well below what a CEO can expect to make (not that those jumped up management twerps are worth anywhere near what they get) and thus should be commended as oppose to the self serving twots in charge of most of the UKs major charities.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets see...

2241 miles in 5 days

Thats about 448 miles per day.

33 Dealerships.

That averages about 68 miles between dealerships.

Easy peasy sedate ride on a 125.

Luxury on a 250 scoot, which usually equates to a sofa on wheels with lots of weather protection.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really gets me is these Charity workers that go up and down the high street asking people for money... more than once i've had one of them follow me up the high street, trying to talk to me about "saving the whales" or whatever, but out of all the money the recieve... how much do you think goes to charity? Those workers aren't doing it for free i'd bet! Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: 15:18 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
What really gets me is these Charity workers that go up and down the high street asking people for money... more than once i've had one of them follow me up the high street, trying to talk to me about "saving the whales" or whatever, but out of all the money the recieve... how much do you think goes to charity? Those workers aren't doing it for free i'd bet! Evil or Very Mad

Think £20k a year is the sort of money they'll be taking presuming they're any good.

Talking to someone that worked for the Air Ambulance they said they had tried these companies, but they only got 10% of the first year's donations. They then got pretty much all the money after the first year - but people also tended to cancel the direct debit after the first year.
They stopped using this method.

As for the OP - why not just give £2000 to the charity?
Why go to BMW dealers? Is this also some kind of commercial advertising too on the back of this very-comnercial charity with questionable ethics?
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to the internet people are waking up to the true purpose behind most of these so called charities now. Like most good things, they were probably founded with the best intentions but greed soon takes over.

I live next door to a catholic vicarage, the place is a massive 5 bedroom place with 2 occupants. And gone are the days of the village reverand on his bicycle, parked outside are a 2011 bmw 335i and a 2009 M6. Apparantly now to spread the word of god you need a £100k worth of metal on your drive.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi other-person.
First off; can you confirm you understand the amount of money spent by Cancer Research UK on bureaucracy (executive salaries included) and some of their questionable practices, such as discussed above?

Are you aware that the most effective way to help stop people suffering from cancer is to encourage people as a whole to be fitter?
Sure, it not a panacea that will work everywhere, but it would be the most effective method as far as I know.

Why not visit cancer hospitals and research centres and invite your BMW friends along instead?

You are allowed on a motorway on a c90. Hell, get a slightly bigger bore on a c50 and you're sorted.
Using motorways and 250cc scooters takes away any sort of 'challenge' really. People do these sorts of distances on comfortable bikes every day - I suggest you have a search for 'marmalade' in this forum and his LeTJoG trip. (Edit, here found it for you - https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=225374 ) - ok, it's on a bit bigger bike, but not going to make a massive difference sitting on trunk roads. And yes, they did the entire length of mainland UK in one day. I didn't see any begging requests, but that seems to actually be a reasonable achievement.

My mouth is saying this is a silly idea that will be easy and a bit boring, why would I want to put my money here?

Here's me taking a scooter and doing something different and challenging with it (proper enduro course):
https://gees.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v16/p412132103-3.jpg
This was a bit of a challenge, but no way I was going to expect people to contribute to a 'charity' that spends millions (at a guess) on executive pay just because I had a bit of fun.
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PostPosted: 01:57 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my big problem with big charities, you are never quite sure where the money is going and how it is being spent.

To go slightly off topic, but something slightly fitting, I have just found out that someone I know, has been going through cancer treatment and has had an operation, now this person took me through my bike test, really is one of the nicest people you will ever meet, and an all round good guy very active within the charity scene, but for local small charities etc, was an active blood bike (till cancer obviously) and just because of the way he is, I support and have filled out a Direct Debit mandate out for the local blood bikes who rely solely on donations to keep going.

This leads me to my next point I suppose, the person I am talking about is now out of work, and being self employed is a big hit for him and his family, and I can go out and donate to the cancer charities, but how do I know he is going to get the help and support and use from that charity, which leaves me with only one option and that is to donate directly to the person in question, that way I know he will be getting the full benefit from the donation.


I support charities (certain ones) but imho donating to big charities achieves nothing in the short term and with poor results in the long term, and the only way you can actually make a difference is by using local small charities or helping the people who have helped others and need help now and dealing with them directly.


The only way we can really make a difference is by helping the people around us, not the big company charities, don't get me wrong I believe we should still support them for their work into what ever their aspect of charity is, but we have lost the community help your neighbour attitude, charity they say starts at home, for me charity starts in the local area, I would much prefer that any money I donate is used locally for the people who really need it.


The best charity you can give is just being there for someone, I could waffle on about another cancer story on going now, but I have also helped someone else out, his old man was building my new office and he was helping out, a week or so in his old man came down with really aggressive cancer in his lower intestines, leaving his dad out of action and him jobless, since then I have taken him on, and without blowing my own trumpet, I know the appreciation is there when he just needs that bit of support, yes the job helps him out financially but the work environment provided keeps his mind off things, and letting him vent.


Sorry I waffled on, but seemed a fitting time to post this.
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