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Fleetboarder
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 23 Mar 2004    Post subject: Again.... Reply with quote

I'm sure you've been asked this before but I'll ask again. I have a 99/00 R6 and have started trying to get the front wheel up.

1. Open throttle to about 40km/h
2. Chop throttle then back on hard
3. Lean back a little and give the bars a little tug
4. Up she comes but I shit and chop the throttle because the bike is climbing so rapidly.

Don't know if I am at balance point so...
Should I:
a. Continue with the throttle
b. Cover the rear brake and apply a little pressue (I assume that covering the brake means doing just that)
c. Continue to accelerate and change gear if required.

Seems like the nose is up quite high but friends tell me it's only a 2 or 3 feet.

Ideally I should be getting a friend to film me which I have yet to organise. Just from the last couple of weeks, I have learnt to do a basic chop throttle wheelie. I haven't perfected it yet and still find I am slamming the nose down.

I really want to get the wheelies laid down but it's frustrating. I haven't looper it (yet) which is a very good thing. Not looking forward to the first time that happens!!
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Ste
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not really good at wheelies myself, but from what you say.

When the front comes up, you first get the "Ohhh my wheels in the air", then its "OMG, it's well high" both of these you drop it back down immediatly. Then you start lifting it higher and riding it out further on power. The it starts to get light, and you can't see the road. Then it gets really really light, and thats the balance point, and you're meant to then just sit there. Smile

Covering back brake is good, but hit it too hard and you'll know about it.

Changing gear is okay, but IMO, it'd be better to keep the speed a bit lower and the wheelie a bit higher.

Good luck. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that, mate.

I don't think I have it at balance point yet. There is no "light feeling" that you describe just a fair bit of weight still up the front (you know that feeling when she starts to put her nose down and there's not much you can do about it because you are wringing it's neck).

I'll have a go on the way home from work today and try to get a bit on film tonight if I can. I'll have a go at posting some pictures in the next couple of days. It'll be so Embarassed
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I know, if you can still see the road you're definatly not there yet. And if the front still feels heavy then you've got to go higher. Smile
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Re: Again.... Reply with quote

To start with the r6 balance point is apparantly pretty high.

One thing you can do to get used to the height is at the point you want to put it down, let off the throttle a bit, then bring it on again as the nose starts to drop.
You can even practice this 'technique' at about a foot off the ground. You get a kind of weaving up and down and can actually hold a specific height to soem degree, as you're not getting higher it's not so scary.
Once you've got used to doind this a bit you should be able to find about the right throttle position to hold it at whatever height you're at and thus need less modulation. Then it's just a case of getting higher and higher Smile.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:35 - 24 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humm good luck, and what do ya mean (when you end up looping it? lol!) The pain of all that cracked and shattered plastic, i cant bear to think about, nope its not good at all!
Just for the record, ive manged about a foot on my 6r, but i dont think i want to find the balence point, or more likely the point of ohh shit im on the floor! Smile
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 25 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never any good at pulling wheelies on my push bike, let alone trying it with the Fazer! Shocked I've too tuch bulk and can never find a balance point, so I reckon watching other people with talent is best for me! Laughing

If the front wheel comes up a bit under a bit of hard throttle then I'll be happy enough.
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Korn
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 25 Mar 2004    Post subject: Re: Again.... Reply with quote

Fleetboarder wrote:
I really want to get the wheelies laid down but it's frustrating.

To start with, use the clutch in second gear. Ride along at ~40mph then in one movement open the throttle and a fraction of a second later when the bike surges forward dip the clutch. Quite likely your first few attempts will barely wheelie, so keep increasing the amount of throttle until you start to get a feel for how much power is needed. An R6 is going to need pretty much full throttle to make a decent takeoff.

When you pull wheelies in second everything happens slower - the bike doesn't come up as violently and it gives you time to experiment and search for the balance point. I know you're actually travelling faster, but it really is easier. You'll know you've found the balance point when the bike goes very light and the revs stop increasing. You'll likely be having to look around the side of the windscreen

After that, try changing gear. To shift up in a wheelie you're gonna need to be slightly below the balance point, give the throttle a tiny blip to raise the bike then perform a clutchless change. As soon as you're in the higher gear whack the throttle back in - you'll likely need a bit more to keep it up than you were using in the lower gear so be prepared for your first few attempts to return to earth rather quickly.

An R6 isn't likely to appreciate sloppy landings, so make sure you've got the front wheel pointing dead ahead when you land and don't bang it down too hard or you'll find yourself in tankslapper city. If the front wheel is on its way back to earth don't let off the throttle, keep feeding it in for a smooth touchdown. Consider a steering damper if you're going to be practicing a lot, it could save you from grief.

Good luck Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 03:02 - 26 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the tips. I'll post pictures (promise!!) when I get them. Don't expect any for about three weeks though as I'm on holidays in Perth for that time.

Korn, what does a damper do? I know a friend who got one on his TL1000S. What are they actually designed to do? Is it to decrease the chance of tankslapping by restricting the movement of the bars? I don't know if I'd get one based purely on looks. Not the most prettiest thing I've seen Confused
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 28 Mar 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fleetboarder wrote:
what does a damper do?

It makes it difficult to turn the bars by adding resistance, thus hopefully absorbing the energy from a headshake before it turns into a nasty slapper moment. Most are adjustable, and some really trick ones are even speed sensitive so they only dampen quick movements (i.e. a tankslapper) and not slow ones (i.e. trying to park the bike).
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