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PostPosted: 23:52 - 01 Aug 2011    Post subject: bike Courier jobs pros and cons Reply with quote

i want to be riding as much as possible. so i am considering
Courier jobs . and would like some advice from experienced Couriers
should i go private or work for a firm or multiple firms whats the best way to go about it . that sort of thing. thanks
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful what you wish for.

I know there's a couple of long term couriers on here (Marmalade springs instantly to mind) who will come along and tell you what they think, but my experience is, it can severely damage your love for biking.

The idea of turning a hobby into a job is great, but after a few times squirreling down a frost covered motorway, or coming home from work and being too stiff from cold/wet to take off your boots, you can start to wonder what the fuck you've done to deserve this.

I lasted nearly three years to begin with, then about 6 months after a break; never again, for all the money in the world, and it's coloured my view of biking forever.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The money isn't great the hours are long and it wrecks bikes.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do a search. A thread always pops up on it at this time of year. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at wanting to ride bikes more and thinking being a courier will be the answer. Naive are you very. Yoda.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Do a search. A thread always pops up on it at this time of year. Thumbs Up


True, it never gets asked in the cold darkness of winter.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about becoming an instuctor instead? Your bike will do fewer miles and it is a great laugh too... Not much money in it though if you work for somebody else.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: bike Courier jobs pros and cons Reply with quote

stupidgit wrote:
i want to be riding as much as possible. so i am considering
Courier jobs . and would like some advice from experienced Couriers
should i go private or work for a firm or multiple firms whats the best way to go about it . that sort of thing. thanks


Lots of people ask this, usually in the Summer when everything is nice and rosy for motorcyclists.

Its an awful job. Thankless, the money isn't great and you have to work ridiculous hours to make ends meet. You don't get to ride nice twisty roads, just in town and the likelihood of having an accident (especially if you're inexperienced) is high. The cost of insurance is shocking, and you won't be riding a bike that is particularly 'fun'.

Here's a little story that isn't related to motorcycling but it is sort of related to what you're asking now. A friend of mine who works at the same company I work at (a broadcast equipment manufacturer) is really really really into RC model cars. He loves them so much he races them, and at one stage he owned fifteen different models. A few years before I joined he was offered a job at HPI who make RC models. He was really happy with that because it meant he got to work with model cars all day and every day.

The reality of this was quite different. Working for HPI meant that he could no longer enjoy model cars in his own time, and he lost all enthusiasm for it. The job was not what he had hoped, and was in fact exactly the same job as he was doing previously (support for electronic equipment) except it revolved around model cars instead of broadcast kit.

He quit, and came back to work here. He's happier here knowing that when he leaves at the end of the day he can think about model cars without thinking "Oh thats work".
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride to work because my bikes all I have 35 miles each way and in all honesty I don't enjoy it. Biking for one thing is fun, and the longer commute was ok, but when its pissing it down or its freezing cold you're not so keen to go out.

Add to that the added mile upon mile of motorway its just tedious. I don't go out on my bike for fun anymore if I do anything to do with my bike outside of going to and from work it'd be either maintenance or going to a job interview in ever hopes of a shorter commute.

In the mean time I'm saving for a car license, car and first years insurance in a lump sum, I don't know how much riding you've done day in day out but 350 often cold, wet mostly motorway miles a week means I really feel very little love for my bike right now.

I will add too I know thats not even a lot for some people, but like this week I've looked at the forecast, theres 2 sunny days left and then heavy rain. I should be looking forward to Thursday its almost the weekend, but do I want to ride to work if the weathers gonna be doing that hell no!
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now summer is really here, the courier threads have started Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I briefly thought about this, but then I checked out this forum:

https://www.codforum.org.uk/courier-owner-driver-forum-topics.php

There's a ton of stuff there about the crap money, high insurance and the impossibility of competing against uninsured cowboys.

If you're prepared to run your bike into the ground for 50 or 60 PENCE per mile BEFORE expenses then go for it.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Be careful what you wish for.

I know there's a couple of long term couriers on here (Marmalade springs instantly to mind) who will come along and tell you what they think, but my experience is, it can severely damage your love for biking.

The idea of turning a hobby into a job is great, but after a few times squirreling down a frost covered motorway, or coming home from work and being too stiff from cold/wet to take off your boots, you can start to wonder what the fuck you've done to deserve this.

I lasted nearly three years to begin with, then about 6 months after a break; never again, for all the money in the world, and it's coloured my view of biking forever.


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I still love riding despite the fairly large mileages i do as a job

Holidays, charity runs, just going for a blast to the seaside.

Anyway, do a search for courier topics on here.
I did a basic run down on earnings and it is quite appalling in reality, ignore all the tossers trying to flog you a guide telling you you'll earn £350 a day.
Yes it is possible, tomorrow after fuel and tyres, servicing is taken into consideration i'll come away with £308

But, this is my route https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Salisbury&daddr=Andover+to:University+of+Reading,+Reading+to:Wiltshire+Police,+Chippenham+to:Gerrards+Cross+to:Salisbury+to:Old+Sarum,+Salisbury+to:Glasgow&hl=en&sll=51.477106,-1.540833&sspn=0.490096,1.234589&geocode=FQc6CwMdBpLk_ym3mwA2VYxzSDEGql7ygOCjDQ%3BFWZkDQMdMHHp_ynHEfT4mvBzSDE_El6gSnz3lA%3BFUfuEAMdl4Hx_yHKBV7NGW9Npw%3BFcUlEQMdpr3f_yFipuCbR6L1qw%3BFWssEwMdnI73_ynpvq8UimV2SDGQ9z3vP2x1JA%3BFQc6CwMdBpLk_ym3mwA2VYxzSDEGql7ygOCjDQ%3BFcCfCwMd6Xfk_yFcSEc9EvPT1w%3BFRtxVAMdOQq__ynrzlYgVhWISDEeUe8FuIPmcQ&mra=ls&t=h&z=6

I'll be finished by 10am thurs morning, thats 26 hours with some sleep hopefully tomorrow afternoon, thursday will be a write off spent in a tent somewhere and maybe home friday for work if any comes in. So far today i've done nothing, same as yesterday.

Today will be spent changing rear pads and an oil and filter change, pulling half the bike apart to check water level etc

My bikes rarely last 18 months and get broken as who wants an ex courier bike with 120,000+ miles on it?

It can be fun, it's usually something different every day but it's not a simple nice day out riding your bike around in the sun. you can't park under a bridge for an hour because it's decide to pee down, if you breakdown or get a puncture the package still got to get there, somehow, anyhow, just get it there, NOW, the customer is screaming.

Think seriously before taking the leap

+1 for www.codforum.org.uk it's the number one courier forum
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Do a search. A thread always pops up on it at this time of year. Thumbs Up


^Made me chuckle^ because ironicly the summer school holidays are the quiest period of the year!!

After 12 years of this I still love riding but as mentioned, you will undoubtably start off working for another courier company who will want to pay you the worse rates you've ever imagined (these rates are usually not too bad when you have double or triple ups but this is usually in good economic spells, not like now) if you decide to try and "go it alone" make sure you have 6-9 months of living expenses tucked away in the bank
(a lot of people think you are kidding when you say this!!)

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PostPosted: 18:34 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: bike Courier jobs pros and cons Reply with quote

stupidgit wrote:
i want to be riding as much as possible. so i am considering
Courier jobs . and would like some advice from experienced Couriers
should i go private or work for a firm or multiple firms whats the best way to go about it . that sort of thing. thanks


I think you'll very much struggle as a complete novice to break into the industry sufficiently to conjure a realistic income as a private freelance rider.
The best option would be starting with a firm who can hire you and give you a feel for the job, you can decide for yourself then with no commitment whether its for you.
Where in the country are you? In London bike couriers are probably more plentiful than vans, in many parts of the country they're unheard of - which is both good and bad.
I think you'd struggle juggling working for multiple firms as a new starter.
Just approach a few companies tell them you're looking for bike courier work and ask whether they have any. It doesn't cost them anything to have you on standby but that's not to say they'll be able to (or want to) supply enough work to make a living out of it.
Realistically after all expenses you're probably looking at something near minimum wage if that if you consider your working hours, so don't have any illusions about high earning potential!
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strangely I'm getting paid 86.4 pence a mile at the moment but I'm special and VERY VERY good. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you were a shitty stint controller?
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Strangely I'm getting paid 86.4 pence a mile at the moment but I'm special and VERY VERY good. Wink


As a subby? I was intrigued enough to click your website link, it doesnt work
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I must get rid of that. Yes as a subbie.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

86 p per loaded mile or total mileage? Who with?
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loaded and no one you know. Under contract not to disclose. Wink

No discount on multis either.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 43p per mile really then the majority of the time assuming no useful backloads.
Whats your total weekly mileage?
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Only 43p per mile really then the majority of the time assuming no useful backloads.
Whats your total weekly mileage?


That assumes I go everywhere 1 up. I work London and tend not to.

Mileage is very low at the moment as I don't work full time or even anywhere near fulltime for various reasons It is the quietest time of the year being the kiddies big holidays but then you of course know that eh Carl. Wink

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its a meaningless figure alone.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Well its a meaningless figure alone.


Yes and no. But as my highest paid day was £480 at 55p a mile I much prefer what I am on now as I don't have to go very far and in my present condition that's perfectly fine. But as I can afford to run and pay for my 2.5 year old bike that I have had from new I must be doing something right.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 02 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still got to afford to run yourself though!
You seem to be going back a bit in admitting that it doesn't pay as a 'full time job' proposition.


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