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PostPosted: 13:39 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: EU: Riot police sprayed with milk Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20521906
Laughing

I don't have my sound at work, but can get the general gist Laughing

Maybe we should have a motorcycle version of this to protest the anti-tampering nonsense. Not sure what we'd throw at the riot police, miniature bike models? Thinking
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

for those who dont click,

milk is being sold in shops for less than it costs to produce,

farmers want milk price increased by 25% to cover cost of production.

cant really argue with that, if they continue to take a loss on it they wont produce milk so we wont have any to buy.

good on them.

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PostPosted: 14:04 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's one way of viewing it.

Another way would be that farmers want quotas reduced, competition kept out of the market, and inefficient small producers to be given preferential treatment because therm city folks bain't understaaaand country ways.

They've got a tough, thankless job, but I don't see many of them giving it up. If they're really all taking a loss, why - and how - is that then?
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
If they're really all taking a loss, why - and how - is that then?


Single Farm Payment?

I'm on the fence with regards to farm subsidies. My inner free-market tells me that they should be able to run as viable businesses; if they can't stay viable why should the taxpayer fund a business on a loser.

OTOH, the idea of having at least some domestic food production is good. Maybe someone can chime in the the %tage food domestically produced? I know we're not self-sufficient by all means. Where do you draw the line? Is it acceptable to be say 40% home grown but, bad to let domestic production fall below that?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The milking fad escalated quickly I see.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd prefer that we were honest about it, and offered farmers two choices: work as civil servants, or survive in the free market. At the moment, we've got privatised profits and socialised losses, which isn't a recipe for efficiency.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clever reply - I suppose the milk is a reference to the fat cats skimming off their profits, hur hur.

Coarse reply - Phoar I'd spray milk over her!

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 29 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Well seeing as a farm single payment will just be enough to pay a months worth of bills, lets put that one to rest eh?

on our farm, we pay upwards of 20 people per month for seperate things, so idk how many people rely on farming and farmers in general to live.

It's hard work and when you get greedy cunts taking away any profit you can be made, why should we be punished?

The EU will happily slap on regulations on this that t'other to ,well i don't know what there aim is, but this all costs money, how are you ment to make a normal business work like any other when you have someone that's never stepped foot on a farm dictating whats what.

If there's ever another war, this country will be on its knees because of the amount of farms gone down the pan and not being able to feed everyone.


Lmao I never knew you were a farmer?!?

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PostPosted: 20:11 - 29 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should farms be exempt from normal business practices.

Supply and demand, currently there's obviously more supply than there is demand so it's value is less.

If you lose money producing it, quite simply stop producing it, then you will stop losing money, when more and more farms stop producing, stores will be forced to pay more for it as it will have less supply to meet demand therefore more valuable.

Setting regulations on the price of milk is bollocks that goes against any kind of free market
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 30 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

problem is if farmers do away with dairy and swap to say beef or go out of business
then the supply shrinks below demand far enough to force the price back up
there will not be enough dairy herds to meet the rise in demand they have all been slaughtered

BTW I worked on farms as a youth
its not an easy life / job and requires a certain passion to do it
and I've seen a lot of farms / farmers I knew locally sell up and sell there land for housing / industrial estates
and get into other lines of work, if that goes too far it will take decades to recover the skills and people
never mind the farmland and livestock
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 30 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They've got a tough, thankless job, but I don't see many of them giving it up. If they're really all taking a loss, why - and how - is that then?



PhilDawson8270 wrote:
If you lose money producing it, quite simply stop producing it, then you will stop losing money,


Have any of you guys actually run a business before?

Just because you stop producting milk, widgets or whatever. It doesn't mean the bills stop completely. While day to day input costs like leccy for your machines might drop. Often you still have to maintain those machines.

The bank doesn't suddenly think oh well he's stopped trading for a bit, I guess I'll stop demanding payment!

The council doesn't suddenly stop demanding business rates:

Exemplified by this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc

So while you continue to trade, you've still got money coming in as well as going out, its just the in is smaller than the out. Its just that if you stop producting you only have money going out and nothing coming in.


A couple months ago I made a loss. £190ish in a week pretty bad huh.But if I didn't trade that week my loss would have been over £1000, for that week, the following week and the week after that.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 30 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:

A couple months ago I made a loss. £190ish in a week pretty bad huh.But if I didn't trade that week my loss would have been over £1000, for that week, the following week and the week after that.


I'm in the position right now where my spending on equipment is far outstripping any profit by about £2k a month
but the investment will allow me to take on bigger gigs and offer better show's
therefore increase my income but it will take time to recoup the losses
but if you don't invest you stand still and get left behind to wither and die Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The market is obsessed with the cost of everything, but knows the value of nothing. Imported milk is going up and the national herd is decreasing.

Our dairy industry is being exploited and slowly killed off by 'the market' for the sake of a few pence. In the short term low prices are great for the consumer as we buy so much of the stuff. But considering we need food to survive it seems a bit risky to remove our ability to produce it.

As well as the jobs lost, questions over quality of the milk, animal welfare etc
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Why should farms be exempt from normal business practices.

We could get by without plasma tellys, or motorbikes. But we're 3 meals away from anarchy.

I'm just fine with over-supply. It's a very literal safety margin.
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