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 Bike_craze1 Trackday Trickster

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 Posted: 22:51 - 13 Jan 2012 Post subject: Pre mixing oil with fuel.. please help :) |
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Got a 2 stroke 125 mito evo 2.. noob question!
Is pre-mixing better used in fuel also? just been informed, is this true? it's got a seperate oil tank but it dosen't seem ta use much oil? any help is appreciated  ____________________ Yamaha R125 - Cagiva Mito 125 - Honda CBR 600
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 Kickstart The Oracle

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Hi
Only real advantage of pre mixing is that you can do away with the pump.
Pre mix will mean that when you have the throttle shut from speed the engine is getting negligible oil, and likely to slightly compensate for that you will be running far more oil than necessary on full throttle.
If you do run pre mix you will need to blank off the oil feed to the intake, jet the carb richer and probably remove the pump (which might not appreciate being run without oil, and seizing the pump is a possibility).
All the best
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I run all my two strokes on pre mix, the race bikes need more oil than the pump can deliver at full chat. If you spend an awful lot of time flat out, and do trackdays etc, then I'd seriously think about it.
But if you ride on the road, pre-mix is a pain in the butt to be honest, you have to carry oil with you, and you should be running that bike on a decent fully synthetic which a lot of petrol stations don't carry.
If you think it isn't using much oil a check on the oil pump settings might be in order.
30-1 on a decent fully synthetic oil is about the right ratio if you decide to go this route. Don't take any notice of the old wives tale that less oil = more power, it's been proved otherwise that as much oil as the bike will burn makes more power.
Hope this helps ____________________ RD350LC/YPVS Race Bike and enough bits to start another one! - RD350YPVS Race Bike - TZR250 Race Bike - ZX9R - ZZR1400 project - DRZ400SM - RD400 - TS100 - TY250 - More info @ www.waveracing.co.uk or www.ypmrc.co.uk |
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Yea they do, no race bikes use the oil pump, mainly for that reason.
There are other reasons of course. Most quality race two stroke oils are pre-mix only, the viscocity is too high to flow through a pump, compare a same make pump and pre-mix oil and you will see the pump oil is a lot thinner. Oil pump drag, you have to drive the pump it all makes a difference powerwise, although the drive for a pump is minimal IMO
If you don't spend most of a lap at wide open throttle then the pump could probably cope with the oil load, but race two strokes are rarely off the throttle, particually at long straight circuits like Snetterton or Oulton, you want to know that the oil is sufficent to stop the engine seizing after the striaght.
The oil isn't there just for lubrication either, the way is burns with the fuel has a direct relationship to the power the engine makes, the upper end of the oil market, i.e. the race products, burn differently to the oil designed for street use. That's why i don't use the all singing and dancing GP oils, they are designed to work with race fuels and don't work so well with pump fuel.
If I had a road bike I'd keep the pump, you are rarely flat out for long. If it was a trackday bike I'd ditch the pump and run it on a race two stroke oil.
Just my opinion of course  ____________________ RD350LC/YPVS Race Bike and enough bits to start another one! - RD350YPVS Race Bike - TZR250 Race Bike - ZX9R - ZZR1400 project - DRZ400SM - RD400 - TS100 - TY250 - More info @ www.waveracing.co.uk or www.ypmrc.co.uk |
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