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PostPosted: 16:53 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: The Frensh Reply with quote

Info from Motorcycle Action Group, "The French Gov has finally confirmed how it will implement new
regulations for bikers regarding reflective clothing and number plates.

As of 1st Jan 2013 it will be an offence, punishable through a fine and
the loss of points, (in France you lose them, don't gain them) not to
wear at least 150cm2 of relective clothing between the waist and the
shoulders and not to be using an enlarged number plate.

You may remember that this was first mooted as an accident reduction
issue, but most accidents involve 125cc bikes and below, and these are
exempt from the new rules.

Riders in France must already use their headlights all the time and
carry reflective stickers on their helmets.

You may also remember that the French Government then said the
regulations were to ensure other motorists could see if riders were
lying in the middle of the road at night...

FFMC's Frederic Jeorge said "It will be considered almost as bad as
driving without a helmet,
even if you are wearing full leather armour, on a bike with the
headlights on
and knowing that our helmets already have 4 mandatory reflective
stickers...
Also, it will NOT include the mopeds and 125cc, where's the logic?"

Logic? I'm not sure that's generally considered when creating
legislation for motorcyclists."

Feckin Frogs....

Watch the clip too.

https://www.mag-uk.org/en/index/a6296
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

does this apply to tourists aswell?
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
does this apply to tourists aswell?


I am wondering this as well?

I'm glad I'm not french because that is a total joke.

Walloper wrote:
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regulations were to ensure other motorists could see if riders were
lying in the middle of the road at night...


This here is pretty much what I would consider to be the only worthwhile benefit to wearing high-vis. I ride a lot at 11pm to 3am, often travelling on empty unlit dual carridgeways and motorways.

If I was lying unconcious on an empty unlit motorway then high-vis is definately a welcome addition and would most likely be the most valuble bit of kit in that situation.


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PostPosted: 17:04 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
does this apply to tourists aswell?


I think where it is 'The Law' we will have to comply too.

I think, by law, bikers have to carry hi-viz vests and maybe even advanced warning now anyway

They want to ban Speed Camera warning too. So you would need to stuff your satnav up your bottom when driving there.

I think the sooner Cameron get us Brits run out of Yoorope the better for biking in general.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if this is for tourists I can see the same thing happening to french tourists as new bikers; go down fast.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something was also mentioned about having to carry a breathalyzer as well......
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if in france you lose points and don't gain them. Working from that logic a brit with say 9 points on there license just needs to go over the channel wheelie all the way down the motorway with no high vis jacket and your in the clear?! If only!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
And the French were supposed to be good at civil disobedience?

First they bent over and took the 100BHP limit, now this?

I'm usually glad I'm not French, but never more so than after reading that sack of shite.


If they don't like it they WILL kick up an almighty stink. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
salty21 wrote:
does this apply to tourists aswell?


I think where it is 'The Law' we will have to comply too.

I think, by law, bikers have to carry hi-viz vests and maybe even advanced warning now anyway

They want to ban Speed Camera warning too. So you would need to stuff your satnav up your bottom when driving there.

I think the sooner Cameron get us Brits run out of Yoorope the better for biking in general.

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Speed camera warnings are illegal, as of Jan 1st this year, as far as I can find.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical f****n' French.....pains in the ass to a man !.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed Case wrote:
Typical f****n' French.....pains in the ass to a man !.


What do you mean? A 'loaf' in the ass?

Must be one of those long crusty loaves you mean eh?

Pervert. Sick

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PostPosted: 18:43 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if bikes are included but cars have to harry an alcohol breath tester. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 19:40 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Not sure if bikes are included but cars have to harry an alcohol breath tester. Rolling Eyes

https://m.thelocal.fr/1920/20111201/


That one is a pure joke if someone has been drinking excessively they are not going to check their own blood temperature they won't care.

Just a simple way of cutting police budget, can see Cameron coming with a similar idea soon.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, what, reflective clothing? That's a big change from "hi vis", like the Paddys are pushing for. My Bilious Orange Dayglo Jacket (hereafter BODJ) doesn't have that much reflective material on it - 150cm2 means a Sam Browne belt on top.

[CLARIFICATION]
<------ That's a Bilious Orange Dayglo Vest (BODV) on top of my BODJ, which would do, although I'd likely switch to the "DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING" one for trips to Le Frogland (meta vest is meta).

This needs some uppity type to punt it to the EHCR, on a restriction of free movement whinge. Maybe a German, they won't like being told that they can't cross the French border whenever they feel like it.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:

First they bent over and took the 100BHP limit, now this?


Is getting revoked as part of this EU directive thing if it goes through IIRC.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A long time ago (18 years) I went to uni there. I have long forgotten any french I did know.

The thing with France even back then, was things like drink driving were a regular occurence.

The french used to drive very aggressively and more often than not flat out.

There was also no courtesy on the roads (I'm from Halifax, people flash you, wave, nod etc).

One thing I do remember was the french were encouraged to drive like the english. Apparently we do something right. The number of accidents in France was double that of the UK.

People in the UK, always seem to think that we are hard done by, this is in part because of our media. But because of my work, I know for a fact were are quite liberal on many things in this country.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:

This here is pretty much what I would consider to be the only worthwhile benefit to wearing high-vis. I ride a lot at 11pm to 3am, often travelling on empty unlit dual carridgeways and motorways.

If I was lying unconcious on an empty unlit motorway then high-vis is definately a welcome addition and would most likely be the most valuble bit of kit in that situation.


Although I would seriously question how often that situation actually comes up. I would suggest not at all commonly and certainly not commonly enough to justify legislating for it to the degree that the French have.

If you're going to do that, you should make all pedestrians walking on roads with no footpath after dark wear reflective gear. I've nearly run over more than a few errant dog-walkers dressed all in black, I've never come across a motorcyclist lying in the road in the dark. I'm sure it does happen but it's not common.

I'm going to be interested to see where the hell they're going to put an A4 size numberplate on a modern sportsbike.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
bluezedd wrote:

This here is pretty much what I would consider to be the only worthwhile benefit to wearing high-vis. I ride a lot at 11pm to 3am, often travelling on empty unlit dual carridgeways and motorways.

If I was lying unconcious on an empty unlit motorway then high-vis is definately a welcome addition and would most likely be the most valuble bit of kit in that situation.


Although I would seriously question how often that situation actually comes up. I would suggest not at all commonly and certainly not commonly enough to justify legislating for it to the degree that the French have.

If you're going to do that, you should make all pedestrians walking on roads with no footpath after dark wear reflective gear.


I am completely against the legislation. I am also against the helmet laws. I was just highlighting what I thought was the only real advantage of wearing high vis is.

Just pointing out that is the only situation where I would want a high-vis vest. I would like to be able to choose myself when and if I wear one. Thumbs Up

I used to wear mine regularly. The sole reason was to slip under the radar and give off an aura of being a "sensible rider" who takes his safety seriously. "Not a chance that guy who wears all that unfashionable bright yellow would be riding otherwise in accordance to his licence."

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PostPosted: 23:59 - 08 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Wait, what, reflective clothing? That's a big change from "hi vis", like the Paddys are pushing for.


This. Don't get confused between Hi-Vis and Reflective.

Hi-Vis isn't really that visible at night, so wouldn't much help others spot you if you were lying face down on the carriageway at night. If you were full-on reflective, though, that would make a difference to visibility.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right so, the vast majority of motorcycle accidents happen during the day, and small bikes are more likely to be involved in multi-vehicle accidents involving poor perception by other motards, so Le Frogs mandate reflective clothing, and only for bikes over 125cc.

A bad idea, comically badly implemented. Brussels is sure to adopt it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how they're going to square it with some of the new generation of textile jackets that look black but are actually retro-reflective?

I can see a disgruntled French biker turning up at a police station at night with his penalty ticket, his jacket and a torch. "Regard. Ma veste est allumée comme l'arc de Triumphe." *waves arms about a lot and sticks bottom lip out*
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All road users should be forced to wear reflective 'panels'.

Why are motorcyclists singled out again.

The recent stats for accidents suggests bicycles are now more dangerous than motorbikes.

Politicians should stay the fcuk out of stuff they do not understand and do what they are told to do by the electorate.

But if the electorate only take an interest in politics at general elections then what chance do we have?
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:

Politicians should stay the fcuk out of stuff they do not understand and do what they are told to do by the electorate.

But if the electorate only take an interest in politics at general elections then what chance do we have?


The problem is that the majority of the electorate probably agree with this. I would have thought virtually all non-motorcycle riders would think this was a marvellous idea.

Even though horse riding and bicycles are more dangerous.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: The Frensh Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
As of 1st Jan 2013 it will be an offence, punishable through a fine and
the loss of points, (in France you lose them, don't gain them) not to
wear at least 150cm2 of relective clothing between the waist and the
shoulders and not to be using an enlarged number plate.


Wait, in order to cross France I need a big number plate now? For real? How big is it supposed to be?
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