New Licence laws

itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

Well obviously they only effect Bikes and then make it hard to do anything other than ride a 125.

But sure this is discrimination or something.

when I first read about the changes I thought it was one of MCN' scaremongering, but it looks like it is going to through early next year this just pisses me off.

Sorry if this has been posted before.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/January/jan1312-details-of-new-licencing-regime-confirmed/
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Pol Anorl · Banned Joined: 13 Apr 2010 Karma :

Tbh its stupid as hell, what does this mean for people currently riding with a 33bhp restricted license? im restricted untill august? next year will it affect my restriction?
Thinking of doing my direct acess when im 21 in october this year would that affect me either.
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itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

You should be fine as you predate the law I just think they should not be allowed to do it.
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JP7 · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Karma :

To play devil's advocate, I do think there is a good argument for ongoing training and a gradual step-up in power as you grow in experience and confidence. It's something that is sorely needed, because there's always been something odd about the notion of doing your DAS at 21 and being able to get on a Hayabusa immediately.

That said, it will make it more complicated and long-term to get the bike you really want, and there's no doubt that it's a deliberate ploy to stop people getting on a bike in the first place.

However, if they do this, then they need to tackle born again bikers as well, as there are too many deaths in that sector.

itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

Then maybe tackle the start the cbt sector of bike riding and also why can't we do that at dsa as cars licence holders can get in anything they want straight off the bat.
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Nick__C · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Karma :

Surely the answer would be a greater intial training session.. As opposed to a simple cbt allowing trackie wearings yoofs to hoon around on their 50cc/125cc peds.. Makes no sense to penalise riders that are trying to progress in their riding and size of bike.. Surely it will still not stop the idiots as they will ride their bikes in a dangerous manner on whatever size bike they are on?

Why are they not doing this for cars? Allow provisional learners to drive a 1 litre accompanied, then after passing they're allowed upto a 1.4 to drive for 2 years and so on? Laughing

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itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

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Matt06 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Nov 2006 Karma :

And how much is it going to cost to do effectively 3 tests before you are 21?

Then you can still just do the Direct Access at 24. Which contradicts the entire scheme really.
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c-m · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 May 2006 Karma :

I don't think it's that bad a scheme so long as costs are kept in check.

I'd also like to see something similar for cars done by power output.
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sparks · L Plate Warrior Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Karma :

Agree with Keith on this, its the thinking of the riders that need changing. No amount of theory tests or training will change the way a youngster will ride its human nature to to ride to impress at that age. In some cases i would think more training too young will get them into more situations thinking their abilities are higher than they are. I agree the new system is complicated but what choice do they have. As it stands all everyone wants to do is get a bit of paper and ride.
The current system of cbt covers all the aspects of clothing and riding so why do so many young people still ride in trainers and T-shirts so even the most basic rules of safety are broken but they feel they are being picked on for not being able to get a bigger bike sooner. Don't figure.

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moley · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Karma :

I agree that something needs to be done to stop young riders just being able to do there das and a few days later basically buy any bike that they want for example an r1 or a busa which is just stupid , but at the same time there is also young riders who want to progress through the bikes in a sensible way as to gain experience and it is these young riders that would be greatly affected financially if these new laws are to be put in place,maybe the answer would be to try and stop this with insurance premiums or laws on which bikes you can actually ride at a certain age, or some incentive to try and make new young riders go the sensible route,but the answer does not lye in doing more tests.

itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

Maybe something along the lines of:

Theory test
CBT
(CBT+)Extra training session
(Second theory test if first has expired)
MOD1
MOD2
Restriction(not on what power out put but cc)
Fully licensed

Or something similar?

Just a thought it tackles the problem of insufficient training lower down but still keeps cost down?
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xD Its mad lol. At 19 I'm riding a full power 636 and a full power 900 Blade. Winners.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

With respect, the time to find out about this was a decade ago. The very latest time to care about it was 2010 when the DfT ran a consultation.

By the time you read about it in MCN, it's a done deal.
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itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

Shaft · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Karma :

itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

Maybe a second sort of CBT but on say a 600 would be better then not a test as such just a refresher?
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Shaft · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Karma :

itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

This is the Government they will be trying to get as much money out of us as possible so it will probably be 5 tests.
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itsdave · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Karma :

I read it when tired and posted it before reading it again so probably missed rather large chunks/points/alternative ideas.

Either way the idea of more tests annoys me.

Would be nice if they left it as just extra training.
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