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PostPosted: 23:03 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: ZX6R vs Triumph 675? Reply with quote

Hi,

Have the opportunity to trade my 2005 ZX6R for a 60 plate Triumph 675.

I'm not so clued up about Triumphs, any good? Is this a worthwhile trade?

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PostPosted: 23:27 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sexy looking bike, supposed to be nice.

My only second hand experience with it was some guy on a rideout having massive electrical failure with his...

Ask yourself why are they trading a 60 plate 675 for a 05 Ninja... something to hide?

I would probably stick with the ninja.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDonUK wrote:
Ask yourself why are they trading a 60 plate 675 for a 05 Ninja... something to hide?


It's not a straight swap, but the point of my enquiry is more a case of whether the trade would be a step up from what I have now.

Thanks all the same Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you actually have any idea what kinda bike you want? Just yesterday (?) you make a thread about getting a cruiser, now its a Triumph 675? Or are you just so lonely you need to constantly make a thread about every thought you have?
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it will be a small step up, nothing like going to a litre bike mind.

How much do you enjoy riding your ninja? Are you pushing that to the limits?

Have you ridden each others bikes yet, see if you get on with it better/worse...
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't really been able to push it to it's limits, as no where around London to do that...mind the A1M came in handy once upon a time Wink

I love my bike, so am quite happy to be honest, still new to biking so I'm at that stage where I want to try all the bikes out now!

The 675 is on offer at the dealership where I bought my ZX6R from, but I think after your informative words - it not being much of a step up - I will give that opportunity a pass and further enjoy my bike.

Thanks a lot, you were helpful Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just stick with the ninja, i would have loved a 05 ZX6, I did love my 99.

Incidentally there are a few places in london you can push your bike (and im not talking about straight lining) theres a nice little circuit near the ace, but if you dont know about it im not telling you where it is lest it be ruined when i have a bike again Laughing Dance!
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDonUK wrote:
Just stick with the ninja, i would have loved a 05 ZX6, I did love my 99.

Incidentally there are a few places in london you can push your bike (and im not talking about straight lining) theres a nice little circuit near the ace, but if you dont know about it im not telling you where it is lest it be ruined when i have a bike again Laughing Dance!


Thanks, Don; I have been meaning to get to the Ace, I hear Friday nights are the best time, is that true?

Hope you get a nice bike very soon; what happened that you're on a push bike now?
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you live in london and cant really stretch the legs of a sportbike, how about a street triple ?
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:
Haven't really been able to push it to it's limits, as no where around London to do that...mind the A1M came in handy once upon a time Wink


Any knobber can hold the throttle open in a straight line.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you ride the thing and make an informed decision?

You might love it. You might hate it. You might think 'meh'. People on the internet can spout statistics and personal stories all day long, but what matters is whether YOU like one bike better than another, for whatever that unquantifiable reason is.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Why don't you ride the thing and make an informed decision?

You might love it. You might hate it. You might think 'meh'. People on the internet can spout statistics and personal stories all day long, but what matters is whether YOU like one bike better than another, for whatever that unquantifiable reason is.


Beautiful; can't argue against that. My dealer is reluctant to permit test rides, but I will try nevertheless.

BigHam - any fool can open the throttle, but they have to consider hazards, police etc... I've gone pretty fast, but not full capacity as 160mph requires somewhere away from the glutonous glare of money-hungry law, in a desolate location to minimise risk of crashing!
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:
My dealer is reluctant to permit test rides, but I will try nevertheless.


No ridey, no buyey.

Or go to any Triumph dealer and try their demonstrator, its not like the 675 has changed significantly over the years.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:
Bendy wrote:
Why don't you ride the thing and make an informed decision?

You might love it. You might hate it. You might think 'meh'. People on the internet can spout statistics and personal stories all day long, but what matters is whether YOU like one bike better than another, for whatever that unquantifiable reason is.


Beautiful; can't argue against that. My dealer is reluctant to permit test rides, but I will try nevertheless.

BigHam - any fool can open the throttle, but they have to consider hazards, police etc... I've gone pretty fast, but not full capacity as 160mph requires somewhere away from the glutonous glare of money-hungry law, in a desolate location to minimise risk of crashing!


Owning a bike isn't about going 160mph, it's about corners! You need to find some corners to 'push' the bike, hell my mum could make a bike go 160
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:


Beautiful; can't argue against that. My dealer is reluctant to permit test rides, but I will try nevertheless.

BigHam - any fool can open the throttle, but they have to consider hazards, police etc... I've gone pretty fast, but not full capacity as 160mph requires somewhere away from the glutonous glare of money-hungry law, in a desolate location to minimise risk of crashing!


I suspect that the reason why your dealer is reluctant to allow you to road test his bikes is the fact that you've only had a full licence since last month. The very same reason why it's ridiculous for you to be talking about taking a 600 sportsbike to it's limits. Big_Ham has it right, any fool can redline a bike on a long enough straight but that's not what riding a sportsbike is all about. Get your bike out on some twisty A roads and learn how it performs, learn how it handles and steers, how and where in the rev range it delivers power and accelleration, and how it stops. There are many things that go together to make a good sportsbike including frame geometry, weight distribution, tyres, suspension, power delivery and a multitude of other factors all working together to produce the overall ride. With your current riding experience I absolutely guarantee that you will run out of ability long before you realise 30% of your bikes potential.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
KingKong wrote:
My dealer is reluctant to permit test rides, but I will try nevertheless.


No ridey, no buyey.

Or go to any Triumph dealer and try their demonstrator, its not like the 675 has changed significantly over the years.


This is what I did..wanted a sportsbike (as my first bike) insurance quotes and other riders swaying me away and towards something like the Striple etc so had a test at local Triumph dealer. Loved it, so found one and bought it Mr. Green

Just book yourself a test ride and go from there...
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kestrel wrote:
I suspect that the reason why your dealer is reluctant to allow you to road test his bikes is the fact that you've only had a full licence since last month.


Not true, I've bought from them and been riding since August, so nearly half a year's worth of riding. Now, they have turned total strangers away when asking to test ride, people who have held licences longer than some of us on here.

kestrel wrote:
There are many things that go together to make a good sportsbike including frame geometry, weight distribution, tyres, suspension, power delivery and a multitude of other factors all working together to produce the overall ride


Hence why I want to try the 675, as it's reportedly lighter, agile; and has more torque in the low to mid range revs compared to my 636...It's not all about power in a straight line, even I know that!

As agreed with Bendy, I need to test ride a 675 to get a better idea of the comparison - I could try it but prefer to keep my 636; but I won't know until I try.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
Do you actually have any idea what kinda bike you want? Just yesterday (?) you make a thread about getting a cruiser, now its a Triumph 675? Or are you just so lonely you need to constantly make a thread about every thought you have?


LOL! That thread was about riding a cruiser, not owning one! I was curious about them. I even stated that at such a new time for biking, I would like to sample all bikes!

Sports bikes have always been where my heart's at. After having stumbled across an opportunity to trade in for an allegedly more superior 600 sports bike, it would harm no one to make some enquiries on this forum - whoever can't be asked with my threads the solution is very simple - do not read them Wink

What else are forums for? At least I keep my posts relevant and not personal.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:


No ridey, no buyey.



Spot on, plenty of dealers about and balls to the one who thinks he can get away with mugging me off with whatever stock he feels like shifting that week. Last one was J&L at carlisle, some grey haired cocky arsewipe telling me how fantastic the R1 was when I had expressed an interest in a fireblade. I was trading in my hayabusa (which was outside) and I asked if I could try both. Apparently I could try 1, if I was 'very serious' about it. Erm.... Im not 15 years old and Im not going to buy whatever bike you tell me is cool you dick.

On another note the same nob went on to tell me how he was trying to buy RSVR's off customers because they were so rare he could sell them for a profit, nice one mate. I bought my RSV three weeks later from a guy not 300yds from my house.

God I hate dealers Mad
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
[P]lenty of dealers about and balls to the one who thinks he can get away with mugging me off with whatever stock he feels like shifting that week. Last one was J&L at carlisle, some grey haired cocky arsewipe telling me how fantastic the R1 was when I had expressed an interest in a fireblade. I was trading in my hayabusa (which was outside) and I asked if I could try both. Apparently I could try 1, if I was 'very serious' about it. Erm.... Im not 15 years old and Im not going to buy whatever bike you tell me is cool you dick.


What a moron; shocking how so many dealers are willing to lose out on business.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found the 2 Triumph dealers near me (Pure Triumph Woburn & Wellingborough) couldn't have been more helpful with test rides.

My missus & I were out on the bikes, stopped at the Wellingborough shop for a nose and got chatting to the salesman. The missus wanted to test ride a street and he let her take it out there and then, despite only having the card part of her licence.

I've test rode a street and a Tiger from Woburn. They couldn't shove the keys in my hand fast enough. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the helpful & supportive comments Smile

Test rode the 675 and was semi blown away by the superior performance of the bike compared to my zx6r. However, its superior performance wasnt enough to compel me to give up my bike. It felt like a toy with mega power, whereas the powerful, sturdy and heavy feel of my bike won the day. The 675 was light and flew to 80 in 2nd gear with plenty more to rev, but my kwaki felt more responsive at the throttle with a smoother ride.

Conclusion? You were right - one has to ride for themselves to truly know which they prefer. 675 has greater torque, but I prefer my bike to it Smile
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow you are brave test riding a bike and going to 80 in 2nd Wink

I love the look of the daytona 675 but wouldn't trust myself on one yet.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickGT wrote:
Wow you are brave test riding a bike and going to 80 in 2nd Wink


Razz I rode in other gears and reached other speeds too Laughing

nickGT wrote:
I love the look of the daytona 675 but wouldn't trust myself on one yet.


They look good, for sure; just not sure about how robust the build felt. Too light and soft made me feel a little more vulnerable than I would like to feel. I can easily comprehend why they're great on race-tracks.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was researching Triumph (I was considering a 955i and possibly a 675 Daytona) I found a lot of mixed comments about them. It seemed to me that owners of both the 955i and 675 broadly loved them, partly because they rode really well and partly because they had more 'character' than Japanese bikes. However, two points became clear that seem to be relevant to your situation:

1) Owners seemed to have either no trouble at all with their Triumphs or a lot of electrical problems. There didn't seem to be a lot inbetween. They also seemed to always arrive on the market with gremlins that became less of an issue as the model got older. Original 955i Daytonas seemed to be riddled with electrical problems but by the time the 2002 model came along these issues were largely resolved. Likewise, I found that early owners of 675 Daytonas had issues with the electrics.

2) Given how much the 675 is raved about in the motorcycling press, I was surprised at the number of people who had tried/owned both and preferred the 955i by some margin.

It seemed to me that while the 675 is undoubtedly good; if you really want to upgrade, you need more cubes. At first this seemed a bit daft to me as I couldn't see why anyone would need more performance than a 600cc sportsbike but as you hinted at earlier, it's about how that power is delivered. I eventually opted for a 954cc FireBlade so I had something the size of a 600 with a load more torque. If I wanted to I could ride it in 6th virtually all the time as it will happily pull in that gear from 30mph. I found that with a 600cc bike, it simply wasn't the same.

I think you've made the right call and stuck with the ZX6R, which is an awesome bike by any standard. If you really did want to upgrade to something with more torque, I'd look at the GSXR750 instead.
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