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RomanMotard
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Questions concerning A2 licence.... Reply with quote

Hi guys, i just brought my theory cd, will be going through it this week and probably book my theory test next week, i have been riding for 5 years now from 15 years old, however all those years i was riding scooters, got my first 125 geared bike 2 years ago, have a lot of experience and feel very confident with my bike, so i would like your views on me doing a2 without having practice lessons, okey maybe for mod2, have at least 2hr of practice just to go through the routes? Do i book my practical through direct gov? would they let me choose test centres? is it the same as booking driving test? and would the test centres i choose let me do the test without having any practice lessons with them? Your answers will be much appreciated... By the way i am located at west london/north west, so if anyone could recommend some decent test centres in these locations please do leave a comment! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it boosts your confidence, I first hopped on my own 125 (after already doing my CBT) at the very beginning of April. In September (of the same year) I passed my Theory, Mod 1 and Mod 2 all first try. Didn't take lessons for any of them. Mod 2 was also on roads that I had never travelled on before. Well, the independent riding part was going back to the test centre which just so happened to be the way I went to the test centre (practically,) which was fortunate! Laughing

There's nothing stopping you taking lessons if you feel you want or need them. Likewise there is nothing saying that you do need lessons.

Book your theory and practicals all through Direct Gov, and yes you can choose your test centre and yes it is very similar to booking your driving test.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Questions concerning A2 licence.... Reply with quote

RomanMotard wrote:
i would like your views on me doing a2 without having practice lessons

YES.

RomanMotard wrote:
Do i book my practical through direct gov?

YES.

RomanMotard wrote:
would they let me choose test centres?

YES.

RomanMotard wrote:
is it the same as booking driving test?

YES.

RomanMotard wrote:
and would the test centres i choose let me do the test without having any practice lessons

YES.

RomanMotard wrote:
okey maybe for mod2, have at least 2hr of practice just to go through the routes?

THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER.

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You'll be fine, just book them and get it done, there's nothing hard in either mod 1 or mod 2, and there's no requirement to have had any lessons at all. You will need valid CBT (DL196) and theory test pass certificates both obtained in the past 2 years, that's it. Also, check that your bike is listed as A2 on this list.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

£121.50 budget, always.

You dont need lessons mate, were naturals!
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar situation to you.

I rode a scooter for 7 years but at the end of last year got a Varadero 125. Having ridden it for a couple of months I'm now fairly confident about doing my test. The years you've spent on 2 wheels will put you in good stead.

I treated my CBT as a lesson, the slow speed stuff was similar to Mod1 and the on road part showed what the examiner will be looking for on the road. I figure that for the cost of further training I could probably afford to fail the tests a couple of times each, and still be better off financially,

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PostPosted: 11:47 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Questions concerning A2 licence.... Reply with quote

RomanMotard wrote:
Do i book my practical through direct gov? would they let me choose test centres? is it the same as booking driving test? and would the test centres i choose let me do the test without having any practice lessons with them? Your answers will be much appreciated...


Test Centres do TESTS
Schools do TRAINING

If you get an examiner to give yo a lesson, you are onto a winner; but the whole point of the DSA Test centres is that they are entirely 'independent'.

So no; the DSA will not refuse to test you without you doing any training; they dont DO training, and entirely up to you if you have any before putting in for test.

I could apply to take the Geography GCSE..... I haven't been to school for twenty years; I have walked accross india and traveled widely around britain and some bits of Europe & North America.... and I have read a lot on the web......

Nothing stopping me booking myself an exam place...... whether I would PASS or not is another matter...... and how much I know about the 'real-world' might NOT actually account for much..... if I dont know the average rainfall in Papia New Guinnea, or the diofference between a glacial rift and a bow river valley.......

Your call.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 26 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Research online, youtube, maybe buy a book, and totally possible.
Just turn up on the day with no research - probably a fail.

I guess it depends on what type of person you are Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 01:03 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

WoW, thanks for all your replies, read all of them, you did boost my confidence even more! And yes i have looked at all of the vids on youtube about mod1 and mod2 so i know what to expect. The other thing is yes im going to go for it without any lessons, and see what happens, i mean it will save me loads of money and help with my other purchase if i pass! So hopefully everything will be fine, and i will probably look around the test centers and see if they match my requirements in terms of the location! And yes my little pride and joy Honda cbf 125 is on the list of A2! lol

Thanks Again!


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PostPosted: 12:03 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Questions concerning A2 licence.... Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
RomanMotard wrote:
Do i book my practical through direct gov? would they let me choose test centres? is it the same as booking driving test? and would the test centres i choose let me do the test without having any practice lessons with them? Your answers will be much appreciated...


Test Centres do TESTS
Schools do TRAINING

If you get an examiner to give yo a lesson, you are onto a winner; but the whole point of the DSA Test centres is that they are entirely 'independent'.

So no; the DSA will not refuse to test you without you doing any training; they dont DO training, and entirely up to you if you have any before putting in for test.

I could apply to take the Geography GCSE..... I haven't been to school for twenty years; I have walked accross india and traveled widely around britain and some bits of Europe & North America.... and I have read a lot on the web......

Nothing stopping me booking myself an exam place...... whether I would PASS or not is another matter...... and how much I know about the 'real-world' might NOT actually account for much..... if I dont know the average rainfall in Papia New Guinnea, or the diofference between a glacial rift and a bow river valley.......

Your call.
Teflonmmike is a very Knowlegable person, if you read the forums, and has always sound advise, my advise would be go for a couple of lessons, It won't hurt, on Mod1 you get to know the course, on Mod2 you will get a second opinion on your road craft for the test, could be beneficial, Hey Hoy... the decision is yours.. good luck any way and stay loose and safe Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had bikes before doing MOD 1 and 2. done schoolboy motox and had moped and RD 125 on the road when I was 17/18 (10 years ago) I still wanted to do a course through a training school so I could get used to doing the manouveres and the road riding under 'test conditions' and to test standard. It just reminded me of things that I would have forgotten and not done on my test otherwise.

No harm in having lessons at a school even just for peace of mind no matter how confident you are. Spending a few extra will be worth it if you pass first time, you don't want to be kicking yourself for failing because you weren't up to scratch.

Best of luck either way. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:
Spending a few extra will be worth it if you pass first time


Unlikely. Even mod 2 costs less than a day's training, far less if you cost your time. The pass rate is low 60% for A2 (potentially untrained) versus high 60% for A (virtually all trained) so it doesn't make much sense from a financial or time perspective.

Better to pass off your own back, then get post test training when you can focus on riding well rather than riding to pass the test.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
biker58 wrote:
Spending a few extra will be worth it if you pass first time


Unlikely. Even mod 2 costs less than a day's training, far less if you cost your time. The pass rate is low 60% for A2 (potentially untrained) versus high 60% for A (virtually all trained) so it doesn't make much sense from a financial or time perspective.

Better to pass off your own back, then get post test training when you can focus on riding well rather than riding to pass the test.


Whatever. If I feel something will benefit me then it's time well spent.

If this guy has no lessons and fails then he can wonder if if it would have been worth his time and money to do so.

I'd be focusing on riding well to pass my test then focus on becoming a better, more experienced rider off my own back by getting out on my bike at every available opportunity, and riding how i'd been taught.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:
If this guy has no lessons and fails then he can wonder if if it would have been worth his time and money to do so.


Only if he fails mod 2 multiple times. And if you're planning to fail the really rather easy tests, what on earth are you doing thinking you're safe to ride around on L plates?

biker58 wrote:
Whatever.


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PostPosted: 20:52 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are singing from different song sheets, if he is fully confident, been riding for a good while then he could still benefit from a couple of lessons. Would shed any bad habits and show precisely what is expected for the tests.

Just my opinion, and that's what I'd do. Will have to agree to disagree as I don't see any advantages to not having a couple of lessons other than saving money.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:
I don't see any advantages to not having a couple of lessons other than saving money.


Isn't that the usual meaning of "worth it"? Neutral

I'm not against training per se, but our current CBT -> A2 test system neither requires nor (financially) rewards it.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
biker58 wrote:
I don't see any advantages to not having a couple of lessons other than saving money.


Isn't that the usual meaning of "worth it"? Neutral

I'm not against training per se, but our current CBT -> A2 test system neither requires nor (financially) rewards it.


Bloody hell mate do you just want the last word? Laughing

If I was the guy asking advice - I would do what I have suggested.
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PostPosted: 03:53 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Questions concerning A2 licence.... Reply with quote

RePT wrote:
£121.50 budget, always.

You dont need lessons mate, were naturals!
Not in spelling you're not.

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Your call.
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Your call.
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PostPosted: 04:09 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:


Bloody hell mate do you just want the last word? Laughing
If it proves his point here, most likely.

You'll get used to him. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just book yourself in for a couple of days training. I did, was worth the money. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I guess it comes down to money really...

It's certainly possible to pass without training, so you don't have to worry about a '1% pass rate'.

I first thought about the MOD1, and the fact it was only £15. You can spend £15 on anything nowadays, it's nothing. SO I went along to try the MOD1 with nothing to lose really...

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PostPosted: 23:55 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:
Bloody hell mate do you just want the last word? Laughing

No, no, you go ahead, I'll just settle for a custom "Last Post" title in another 5 years or so. Razz

biker58 wrote:
If I was the guy asking advice - I would do what I have suggested.

It's a perfectly sensible suggestion for those who enjoy the homosex and/or dance round their handbags in white heels. I'm not making any judgements here, I'm just pointing out the obvious. Its a calling.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 30 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's anything particularly wasteful about opting for lessons, nor anything lost by NOT having lessons before your tests. It's all about how confident, you as a rider, feel regarding your capacity to complete the tasks that you are going to be expected to carry out.

Print out the layouts for the Mod 1 test and spend a couple of hours over a weekend or two in an empty carpark doing the manouveres.

If after you spend some time practising you have no doubts WHATSOEVER about your ability, then sure, why not try a test without training? Chances are it wouldn't harm and if you feel that comfortable in your capcity, you'd probably have a damn good shot at passing. However, my personal stance is that if you have any doubts or any uncertainties that you're doing it to a 'test requires standard' then I would personally see about getting a little bit of training. Yes, it might cost a bit more in the end, but it could be the difference between a pass and a fail.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 30 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
biker58 wrote:
Bloody hell mate do you just want the last word? Laughing

No, no, you go ahead, I'll just settle for a custom "Last Post" title in another 5 years or so. Razz

biker58 wrote:
If I was the guy asking advice - I would do what I have suggested.

It's a perfectly sensible suggestion for those who enjoy the homosex and/or dance round their handbags in white heels. I'm not making any judgements here, I'm just pointing out the obvious. Its a calling.


Sound like a man who knows what he's talking about Sick

Not sure why this is still going on but i'll entertain it. If I had been riding scooters/mopeds on the road for a couple years then wanted to get bike licence I would have a couple of lessons to see what the tests were about and get told what the examiners will be looking for, that way I'm going in to my tests having covered everything and knowing there won't be anything unexpected to trip me up.

If this guy passes his test with no lessons nice one. If he fails then no need to have lessons as he'll know what it's all about anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 30 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

biker58 wrote:
Not sure why this is still going on

I agree, it's pointless and childish to keep banging on like this.. One of us should just stop.

And admit defeat.

About whatever it was we're arguing about.

Are we arguing? I forget.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 30 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
biker58 wrote:
Not sure why this is still going on

I agree, it's pointless and childish to keep banging on like this.. One of us should just stop.

And admit defeat.

About whatever it was we're arguing about.

Are we arguing? I forget.



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